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Who is Greater? Muhammad or Allah?  - Peace Forever
Muhammad claims, it is himself..

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Editor,
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THE ROLE OF PROPHET MUHAMMAD

PROPHET'S ONLY DUTY

The Quran utilizes "the double negative" to emphasize that the prophet had NO duty EXCEPT delivering the Quran.

"You have NO duty EXCEPT DELIVERING the message." 42:48

"Your ONLY duty is delivering, we will call them to account." 13:40

"The messenger has NO function EXCEPT delivery of the message."  5:99

THE QURAN IS THE MESSAGE

"We have sent down to you a scripture containing YOUR MESSAGE. Do you not understand?" 21:10

MARMADUKE PICKTHALL'S TRANSLATION :

"Thine is ONLY to convey (the message)." 42:48

"..thine is BUT conveyance (of the message)." 13:40

"The duty of the messenger is ONLY to convey (the message)" 5:99

"Now we have revealed unto you a Scripture wherein is YOUR REMINDER." 21:10

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"And when you preach your Lord, using the Quran ALONE, they run away in aversion." 17:46

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"The messenger said (on the Day of Judgment), "My Lord, my people have DESERTED this Quran." [25:30]

PROPHET MUHAMMAD FORBIDDEN FROM ISSUING RELIGIOUS

INSTRUCTION OTHER THAN THE QURAN

"This is the utterance of an honorable messenger.  Not the utterance of a poet; rarely do you believe.  Nor the utterance of a soothsayer; rarely do you take heed.  A revelation from the Lord of the universe.  Had he uttered any other teachings.  We would have punished him.  We would have stopped the revelations to him." [69:40-46]

PROPHET MUHAMMAD FORBIDDEN FROM

EXPLAINING THE QURAN

"Do not move your tongue to hasten it.  It is we who will collect it into Quran.  Once we recite it, you shall follow such a Quran.  Then it is WE who will explain it." 75:16-19

GOD - TEACHER OF THE QURAN

"The Most Gracious.  Teacher of the Quran." 55:1-2

QURAN - FULLY DETAILED AND ONLY

SOURCE OF RELIGIOUS LAW

"Shall I seek other than GOD as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed? Those who received the scripture recognize that it has been revealed from your Lord, truthfully. You shall not harbor any doubt.  The word of your Lord is complete, in truth and justice.  Nothing shall abrogate His words. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient."  6:114-115

"This Quran could not possibly be authored by other than GOD. It confirms all previous messages, and provides a fully detailed scripture. It is infallible, for it comes from the Lord of the universe."  10:37

OBEYING THE PROPHET IS UPHOLDING

THE QURAN ONLY

Prophet Muhammad obviously was a believer, and as a believer he followed the above verses from the Quran, which came from his own mouth. Now that Muhammad is dead, obeying him is upholding what he upheld. To suggest that Muhammad violated the above verses, by issuing religious laws or following other sources besides the Quran (like the insistence on hadith/sunnah), is to say that Muhammad was a disbeliever.

DEAD, NOT ALIVE

God in His infinite Wisdom, has clarified the meaning of DEAD, a meaning the idolators cannot comprehend. Muhammad is dead. How can you obey a dead man?

"They are DEAD, N O T A L I V E, and they have no idea how or when they will be resurrected." 16:

 

Dear TiermoT,

please do get into the habit of posting the link of your copy paste work.

Your articles content is from here:

http://www.submission.org/muhammed/role.html

You should have rather have had a look at the forum rules,

1.              When replying to a post, your comments should be factually correct, relevant, clear, informative, and as concise as possible. If you make an assertion, you should be prepared to support it with appropriate evidence and/or sound reasoning. If you are making a response to a claim, make sure that you first understand the claim. Articles written by others should not be posted as a response, but as a link or concise summary that addresses the thread topic. Any quote from, or paraphrase of, the contents of the Koran, Hadith, history, etc., should be referenced.

 

Anyways, I don't precisely understand the point you are trying to make? It doesn't matter to me that you quote verse after verse from the quran stating what the role of Muhammad was; the point is he violated these.  I am not surprised by the fact that a person who I think is a false prophet  shows himself humble in front of God with words and acts quite opposite to it! The only point in your copy paste article that is worth any kind of reply is the following:

OBEYING THE PROPHET IS UPHOLDING

THE QURAN ONLY

Prophet Muhammad obviously was a believer, and as a believer he followed the above verses from the Quran, which came from his own mouth. Now that Muhammad is dead, obeying him is upholding what he upheld. To suggest that Muhammad violated the above verses, by issuing religious laws or following other sources besides the Quran (like the insistence on hadith/sunnah), is to say that Muhammad was a disbeliever.

This is nothing but a classic example of circular reasoning.

peace Forever: Muhammad violated the Quran and put him above god!

TiermoT: No! He did not!

peace Forever: Well, ok, I have shown he did. Why should I believe otherwise?

TiermoT: Because the Quran says him not to do so.

peace Forever: What?! Precisely that’s the point.

Quran is the word of God for Muslims and for skeptics it is the words of Muhammad, his words and deeds don't match. And your article also said:

Prophet Muhammad obviously was a believer, and as a believer he followed the above verses from the Quran, which came from his own mouth

I would rather call it wishful thinking. You are rather busy attacking a straw man. My point is he violated the God's command by placing him above god, instead of handling the argument you try to stick around an assumption that since he is a believer he shouldn't have voilated the Quran.

Ok, let me show how flawed your logic is, obviously, Osama bin Laden is a believer (muslim), and as a believer he should be following the Quran, he is committing terrorism. Since he follows the Quran, it teaches its followers to become terrorists!

I hope you understood the futility of your argument. I hope you can bring something better next time around.

Thanks,
Peace Forever.

So you are now tracking me on the the web, where I got my post? Are you a Cyber-Stalker or something?

To your line :Ok, let me show how flawed your logic is, obviously, Osama bin Laden is a believer (muslim), and as a believer he should be following the Quran, he is committing terrorism. Since he follows the Quran, it teaches its followers to become terrorists! I hope you understood the futility of your argument. I hope you can bring something better next time around.

Let me the point out the glaring flaw in the above statement. Hitler was a German, he commited genocide on Jews, so all Germans hate Jews. Or President Clinton was a US President and believed in the office of the president and its rules, he had sex with a woman out of wedlock in the white house, so all presidents who take on that role and responsibility have sex in the white house with other women besides their wives.. That is just dumb. The Quran in no way teaches anything about terror, maybe if you read it instead of  just learning one liners you would know this.

Dear TiermoT,

Thank you for taking time to reply,

TiermoT:

So you are now tracking me on the the web, where I got my post? Are you a Cyber-Stalker or something?

Not that! Before accusing Islam of something, you should have been learnt about Islam (from Islamists, and I must say they do a pretty good job bluffing around. They almost got me converted with all the nonsense, science in Quran stuff, a fallacious argument indeed), where else will you learn about Islam in the Internet other than Islamic websites and submission.com is one the prominent among the Quran only sect,  I had read your  copy paste work  long before so it wasn't tough to recognize.

What amazes me, is that after posting a reply that is plagiarized from another site, without giving due respect to its original author or the site. You have the Audacity to question whether I am a Cyber-Stalker?! How does it even remotely answer the fact that you blatantly broke the Forum rules?

All you had to say was I was wrong and "sorry" – if not sorry (that’s too big to expect) at the least acceptance of your mistake?!

TiermoT:

To your line :Ok, let me show how flawed your logic is, obviously, Osama bin Laden is a believer (muslim), and as a believer he should be following the Quran, he is committing terrorism. Since he follows the Quran, it teaches its followers to become terrorists! I hope you understood the futility of your argument. I hope you can bring something better next time around.

Let me the point out the glaring flaw in the above statement. Hitler was a German, he commited genocide on Jews, so all Germans hate Jews. Or President Clinton was a US President and believed in the office of the president and its rules, he had sex with a woman out of wedlock in the white house, so all presidents who take on that role and responsibility have sex in the white house with other women besides their wives.. That is just dumb. The Quran in no way teaches anything about terror, maybe if you read it instead of  just learning one liners you would know this.

Hmmm... Let me say this... You had me laughing. you sure did!

May be you misunderstood my point over there, why is that muslims get so zealous to refute his opponent when he talks about Islam and terrorism in the same line, that robs them of their senses and in this case even their reading capabilities?!

Have you ever heard of irony? Using ones own words or logic to give an Ironic effect? I guess no! if you do know what it means, that was exactly what I was doing above.

The funny thing is you took the cue and went on to destroy the argument of your own copy paste article.

Your article said,

TiermoT:

Prophet Muhammad obviously was a believer, and as a believer he followed the above verses from the Quran, which came from his own mouth

         

I thought this is nonsense and said this is as nonsensical as the Osama Bin Laden analogy, I put forward. Will you agree that since Osama was a muslim, Quran is a terror manual? Apparently judging by response, you won't. That's my point! (If I have to prove Islam is violent, I have to prove it from its religious texts which I will be doing in the course of stay at Islam watch and FFI.)

I just used the ironic effect, to show you that your argument doesn't stand for the same reason why the Osama Bin Laden analogy looks awkward. But it seems in a rush to refute me, You took it as if I was the one who made the fallacious argument, while I was just using it as an example to show the fallacious argument of the article you posted and even worse you added few of your own and said "That is just dumb", of course, I can't agree more It was dumb, and that’s exactly my point.

The argument of your copy paste article is Dumb for the same reason the Osama Bin laden analogy is Dumb, for the same reason your Hitler analogy was dumb and of course, for the same reason the Clinton analogy was Dumb. This was exactly the point behind using the OBL analogy. Thank you for adding two more to the list and destroying the argument of the copy paste article. And for agreeing with me and putting so bluntly that the entire argument is "DUMB" even I couldn't have said it any better. Thanks for refuting your argument.

And you said:

TiermoT:

The Quran in no way teaches anything about terror, maybe if you read it instead of  just learning one liners you would know this.

What makes you think I haven't read the Quran? In fact that is why I am here opposing Islam, had I not read it as I said I would have converted and would have been a muslim like yourself, defending a insane man like Muhammad out in here. And I am not sure what one liners you are talking about any ways, its good hear that my one liners (if I put forward any), are better than my reading of the quran.

Thanks
Peace Forever.