Seven Myths About Islam
23 Mar, 2009
Islam is all about big lies and myths, this article sheds some light
on seven of the most common of such lies and deceptions:
1. The myth: “Atheists cannot disprove the existence of
God, which indicates that Islam is the correct religion”
The fact: There is no relation between Islam and God.
Atheists may not disprove the existence of God, but neither can
Muslims prove His existence. The existence of God, to those who
believe in God, does not indicate that Islam is correct. On the
contrary it indicates that Islam is completely wrong. God is
omnipotent, all knowledgeable and compassionate but the Quran
describes a maliciously revengeful and uneducated or even illiterate
god. In this sense, Islam is an offence to God. The poor language
quality of the Quran, its inconsistency, its illogical reasoning and
its unacceptable scientific mistakes make that book an insult to any
writer never mind a god. A true believer in God should feel offended
by the idea of relating a book with such an appalling standard to
the omnipotent and merciful God. Muslims do it the other way; they
turn their backs to God and glorify their book and justify its
mistakes and claim it’s from god.
Of course, for those people who do not believe in God, Islam is not
even worth considering.
2. The myth: “The essence of Mohammed’s message was to
believe in Allah, which is Arabic for God”
The fact: The essence of Mohammed’s message was to believe
in HIM not in Allah!
Muslims get shocked when they learn that the word ‘allah’ does not
mean God but only a name for a god in the same way that Zeus, Apollo
and Osiris are names of gods. Muslims get even more shocked when
they learn that the pre Islamic Arabs already believed in God long
before Mohammed was born, they even called their god Allah. Let us
not forget that Mohammed’s father was named Abdu-Allah. Almost all
Muslims have the misconception that the Pre Islamic Arabs used to
worship stone sculptures, called ‘asnam’, which they believed to be
their gods. This is not true even though some tribes carved stone
sculptures to ‘represent’ their gods, but that doesn’t mean they
worshiped stones. In Arabia in general, but in Mecca in particular,
polytheistic religions were practiced freely alongside the
monotheistic religions such as Christianity, Judaism, Sabeans and
Ahnaf. Pre Islamic Arabia was an exemplary multicultural society
with impressive religious tolerance (1). Freedom of religious
practices was a treasured value in Arabia where all the Arab tribes
lived in harmony and enjoyed mutual respect. It was Mohammed who
introduced religious intolerance to Arabia and it was his followers
who introduced it to all places they manage to control.
Mohammed imported the Islamic beliefs and rituals from the other
religions in Arabia. Islamic prayers, Fasting and Pilgrimage with
all its details, were copied from the existing religions. Mohammed
also copied the Islamic sharia law from the existing practices in
Arabia, this included practices like circumcision, cutting the hands
of thieves and marriage laws. Understandably, Mohammed added his own
flavour to those rituals and laws to suit his own personal taste.
For example, Mohammed incorporated the Arabs’ tradition of
forbidding the marriage between a man and his stepdaughter, but as
Zainab, his adopted son’s wife, developed a nice sexy figure, he
cancelled the entire tradition of adoption in order to add Zainab to
his harem.
At this point, one cannot help but wonder: If Allah was already
being worshiped, and if the Islamic rituals were already being
practiced, and if the sharia law was already being implemented, what
was new about Islam?
A legitimate question that has a simple answer: the only thing new
about Islam was the addition of Mohammed’s name next to Allah!
3. The myth: “The Quran is the preserved word of Allah”
The fact: even during Mohammed’s time the Quran had
undergone many changes.
This myth is based on the false assumption that the early Arabs had
extraordinary memory, which is a myth in itself. The Quran was
released over twenty-three years, most of it in Mecca with no
scribes or facilities to write it. Even after Mohammed seized
control of Medina, the Quran was not recorded in a systematic way.
The Arabic script was still undeveloped, many letters and words
shared the same appearance even though they had different meanings.
Mohammed’s priority was not to write the Quran but to fight wars and
subjugate the Arab tribes. Many ahadith indicate that Mohammed
forgot some verses while others indicate that other verses (like the
adultery verses) disappeared because they were eaten by a chicken or
a goat!
The Quran reached us through history; Muslims who believe the above
myth do so because they put their full trust in the Islamic history.
I am afraid that it is the same Islamic history that casts doubts
about the preservation of the Quran. An objective reading of the
chapters about the collection of the Quran from Sahih Bukhari and
Sahih Muslim, considered by Muslims most authentic books after the
Quran, highlights the unreliability of the collection process. The
Islamic history also tells us that Muslims were divided after Caliph
Othman ordered the writing of the four official copies of the Quran.
Some of top Muslims disagreed on which verses to include in those
copies. In addition, there were mistakes in those official copies,
which were reported to the Caliph, who accepted their existence but
did not think they were significant enough to justify rewriting the
Quran.
Othman’s copies were also written in a primitive script that only
works as a reminder of the Quran rather than a true writing. Such
undeveloped script was useless in preserving any message, never mind
a legal book. It took another hundred years for the Arabic language
to develop a reliable writing style.
Even if we assume that Othman’s Quran was accurate, which it wasn’t,
they were useless to most Muslims simply because they had no access
to them. The fact is that Muslims, in the first few centuries of
Islam, managed without a clearly written Quran. The early copies of
the collected Quran seem to have disappeared from history without
any trace. Today’s Muslims are very sensitive to this issue and do
not allow any objective study of this part of the Islamic history. A
proper dating and analysis of the two ancient copies found in
Samarkand and Istanbul is strictly guarded by the Islamic
authorities. The German team (2) who was studying the copy found in
Sana’a, Yemen in the 1970s was stopped and denied access to the
script once the authorities sensed that the study could reveal a
different Quran!
The story of Abdulla Ibn Abi Al Sarh (3) is of remarkable
significance to the issue of preservation of the Quran. Ibn Abi Al
Sarh used to scribe the Quran for Mohammed. As all Muslims know,
most of the verses in the Quran have common closing sentences such
as aziz hakim ( mighty and wise) and aleem hakim( meaning with
knowledge and wisdom) and many more.
Once, Ibn Abi AlSarh wrote a verse that had one of those closing
sentences, say aziz hakeem, but to make sure it wasn’t aleem hakim,
he asked Mohammed: was it aleem hakim? Mohammed said: yes, it was.
This was repeated many times until Abdulla Ibn Abi AlSarh came to
the conclusion that Mohammed was a liar and the Quran was not divine
because he could change its words. Ibn Abi AlSarh left Islam and
secretly made his way to Mecca where he told the Arabs about his
experience. The scandal was embarrassing to Mohammed who vowed to
kill Ibn Abi AlSarh no matter what happens.
After Mohammed conquered Mecca, Ibn Abi AlSarh, who also was a milk
brother to Othman Ibn Affan, the main financier of Mohammed’s
movement, was captured and was brought to Mohammed. Othman used his
influence on Mohammed and asked for his brother to be forgiven.
Mohammed, surprised by Othman’s interference, masked his anger and
said nothing while Othman quickly took his brother and went away.
Mohammed was angry with his men because they did not kill Ibn Abi
AlSarh, their excuse was that Mohammed did not give them a signal.
Mohammed said: We prophets do not deal with signals. After
Mohammed’s death, Al Sarh had a successful political career under
the Umayyad dynasty.
We do not know how much Ibn Abi AlSarh changed in the Quran before
his defection, but we do know that those early Muslims especially
under the Umayyad rule were aware that Islam was a big lie, which
they used to their advantage.
4. The myth: “The Quran challenged mankind to produce a
chapter like it, and they all failed.”
The fact: There are many texts on the internet which are
indistinguishable from the Quran.
Any Arab with enough courage and reasonable command of the Arabic
language can meet the challenge and win, and that includes the
devout Muslims who would say: “NO this is impossible!” It is easy to
compose a text that is indistinguishable from to the Quran; it is
even easier to include a number of language and scientific mistakes
for a more honest imitation to the Quran. But sensible people do not
risk their lives; we know how Muslims would react. The Arab Muslims
do not even try because they know how Allah would react.
This reminds me with an incident that took place many years ago when
I was a young Muslim. I was visiting a friend who was already
arguing with one of his relatives about a verse in the Quran, they
were trying to find to which sura the verse belongs. I happened to
know that the verse was at the end of chapter 2 (sura Albakara),
which was correct as my friend’s relative double checked it in the
Quran. I was happy and proud with my knowledge, and both my friend
and his relative were impressed. Still browsing through the Quran,
my friend’s relative challenged me to locate the following verse:
يا أيها الناس اتقوا الله ربكم الذي خلقكم
وسواكم ورزقكم لعلكم تتقون ان يشأ ينصرم ويدخلك جناته وإن يشأ يخسف بكم
ألأرض فتصبحوا من بعدها علئ ما فعلتم نادمين
Q.115: 1 “O ye people! Fear Allah your Lord, who created you, and
fashioned you (perfectly) and provided for you, that ye may have the
chance to learn righteousness; If He so will, He can make you
victorious…”
(I still remember by heart the first part of the ‘verse’, but not
sure about the rest. The translation is mine)
I didn’t know, but I knew from the style that the verse had a Medina
style and must belong to one of the big chapters in the Quran.
Although I wasn’t sure, my answer was that the above verse also
belongs to chapter 2 (sura albakara). My friend’s relative broke
into laughter because the verse was not even in the Quran, it was
made up. My happiness and pride instantly evaporated, but the
practical joke unleashed the Islamic monster inside me. I became
angry and insisted that the false verse was obviously of very low
standard compared to the Quran and I blamed the Satan for my failure
in spotting the difference.
Some Arabs must have produced works that mimicked the Quran, but
those who were lucky to survive, were forced to condemn their own
works, which eventually disappeared from history. The problem is
that Muslims have already made a prejudgement not to believe that
any work can match the Quran.
It is noteworthy that the great Arab poets like Almutanabbi and Al
maarri composed their own Quranic texts, which of course disappeared
from history. I am a fan of Almutanabbi and can imagine how powerful
his Quran would have been compared to the existing one. Nowadays,
interested Arab atheists frequently post their own imitations on the
Internet (4) (5).
The idea of a competition between Allah and one of his creatures in
a language issue is ridiculous and is enough, on its own, to damage
Islam. The non Arabs should be able to sense some foul racist smell
in this challenge because they have been totally excluded from this
competition game; Allah seems to play only with the Arabs!
5. The myth: “The Quran foretold many scientific
discoveries”
The fact: almost every time the Quran got it wrong on
science.
The Quran did not say anything that is scientific. In fact the Quran
was not up to date even to the seventh century’s science. The Greek
philosophers described a globe Earth and calculated its radius about
400 BC. A thousand years later the Quran was still talking about a
flat Earth!
The Quran got it wrong almost every time it touched on a scientific
issue, which is hardly surprising considering that it is a book of
myths rather than science (6). Current Muslims go to the extreme to
play with the Arabic language by twisting it and distorting its
rules and word meanings in order to save the Quran from its
embarrassing scientific blunders.
The myth of scientific miracles in the Quran is the latest big lie
of the Muslim scholars in their attempts to market Islam in the age
of science. The Muslims made hundreds of claims but all of them are
based on lies and twisting the language which reflects how desperate
the Muslim scholars are.
It is important to note that the existence of one mistake in the
Quran means that the book is not divine and the entire religion is
false.
6. The myth: “The Quran described the big bang”
The fact: the Quran only echoed the ancient myths about the
creation of the universe.
The Quran only reflected the seventh century ignorance. Ancient
cultures believed that the sky and earth were joined together until
god stepped in to separate them. Muslims who make the above claim
usually refer to verse “Q.21: 30 Do not the Unbelievers see that the
heavens and the earth were joined together then we separated them..”
in which the Quran makes the same mistake and claims that it was
Allah who did the separation. This scientific misconception
described in the Quran was common in ancient Arabia, which explains
why the verse says do not the unbelievers see? (awalam yara) which
is an Arabic expression that implies “yes they see”. It is a common
Arabic usage that when you say to a person: “don’t you see that
house?” you imply that the person can actually see the house.
Therefore, the Quran was talking about something the Arabs already
knew.
Contrary to what the verse suggests, according to the Big Bang
theory there was nothing in the beginning, no earth and no sky (7).
7. The myth: “The Quran described the development of the
Embryo”
The fact: the Quranic description of the development of the
embryo is completely wrong.
Muslims usually refer to the following verses “(Q.23: 12-14) We
created man from a product of wet earth, then placed him as a drop
of seed in a safe lodging, then We fashioned the drop a clot, and of
the clot, We fashioned a lump, and of the lump We fashioned bones,
and We clothed the bones (with) meat.”
The above description of fetal development are what we would expect
from the women of the seventh century Arabia, but not as we would
expect from a doctor, prophet or a god. It is usual for the Quran to
repeat the prevailing scientific mistakes of its time, but in the
above verses it probably has gone beyond the limits. The suggestion
that the skeletal system (bones) is first created then clothed with
flesh is simply a lethal mistake.
When Muslims debate this issue they refer to scientific
illustrations, articles and western doctors who have no clue what
the Quran actually says in Arabic. I do not see the point in
subjecting the above verses to scientific scrutiny because there is
no science involved at all. The verses are simply a reflection of
the prevailing ignorance on the subject.
The Arabs criticized Mohammed whenever he said something that looks
absurd to them but on this occasion they accepted the verses without
any criticism, which indicates that the verses were in parallel with
the prevailing knowledge in the 7th century Arabia (8).
References:
1. M A Khan, Islamic Jihad: A Legacy of
Forced Conversion,
Imperialism and Slavery (p. 18-22)
2.
http://www.quransearch.com/karim/mosque_of_sanaa.htm
3. Ali Dashti, 23 years, a study of prophetic career of Mohammed.
4. http://www.ladeenyon.net/forum/viewtopic.phpf=11&t=2040&sid=ab440fdfe95e38d0c427905fd12ab2c2
5.
http://islam-watch.org/MuminSalih/How-Arabs-Hated-Quran.htm
6.
http://islam-watch.org/MuminSalih/myth_of_scientific_miracles.htm
7.
http://islam-watch.org/MuminSalih/Universe_According_To_Quran.htm
8.
http://islam-watch.org/MuminSalih/myth_of_scientific_miracles.htm
Mumin Salih is a Middle Eastern ex-Muslim. He can be contacted at rawandi@googlemail.com
Name: Ibrahim
Date: Sunday March 22, 2009
Time: 14:09:11 -0500
Comment
That was a nice piece Mumin, kinda of hillarious too.
Name: bobby
Date: Sunday March 22, 2009
Time: 16:18:28 -0500
Comment
when it comes to islam, a muslim does not need logic, everything can be explained in its favor. as long as they are sentences and sounds like a explanation that is sufficient for the majority of blind believers. only when they are willing to give up their faith one can debate with them and expect to win.
Name: Andrew Stunich
Date: Sunday March 22, 2009
Time: 17:49:02 -0500
Comment
Good job. Thank you.
Name: Anon Nymus
Date: Sunday March 22, 2009
Time: 18:16:15 -0500
Comment
As usual someone who could not explain the inconsistencies and contradictions such as in the New and Old teststaments has no arsenal but to go and attack other religions with lies and fallacies. There is no point in me trying to defend Islam with logic and pure facts as people in this site seem to not use logic at all and follow what they hear and given to them. My only question is this have any of you actually picked up the Quran and read it cover to cover. Read it, just like I have read the bible, and then come back and make an argument. Just hearing from these real or factitious ex-Muslims who obviously are out to degrade Islam based on petty little misinterpreted things and forget about the big picture, like if we all believe in God then what the true belief in God and how does God wants us to believe in Him. Another question I have is. How come you never see Muslims making sites like christianty-watch.org. Maybe because Christians already can see without anyone telling them that there are plenty of fallacies and contradictions in their scriptures, such as that can be seen clearly through inconsistencies from Mark, Mathew, Luke and John books. There is no point in me going into the details, but clearly an evolution of writing is evident there that even non-muslim historians agree to. Which makes you think who was right in the presentation of Jesus (peace be upon him), because mark obviously does not ascribe divinity as John did? So just using the Quran itself and the Bible itself as it is today without worrying about historical facts as you and I cannot prove and disprove unless someone creates a time machine and we can all go back in time to see what actually happened, the Quran is in no doubt, and after reading it you will see, a revelation. I believe the Gospel was in one time a revelation as well but not what we have today. It becomes pretty obvious that the bible has been influenced by people throughout the ages to further their political, ideological and worldly gains. Whereas the Quran is still in its original text as it was revealed 1400 years ago. I know that because I have been blessed to learn Arabic and read Quran in its original language, where as in the bible that's not an option. As for how do I know the Quran in Arabic today is the same as 1400 ago, fortunately full Quran text from that time is available. For instance one of the first compiled Text the Othmani Quran from the Companion Othman is still present in Istanbul, Turkey with traces of blood of Othman who was a close companion to the prophet Muhammad (Peace and Blessing be Upon Him) and the third Caliphate. I urge everyone in this site to go out and use an open mind like I have an learn and read from the source and not from hearsay or misinterpretation of someone with an obvious agenda.
Name: Wagamama to Anon Nymus
Date: Sunday March 22, 2009
Time: 18:58:59 -0500
Comment
Anon Nymus, here are few verses from Quran that prove that they were from a wicked man. Whatever language it was written in, when correctly translated by the most authentic Muslims, it is giving an abnoxious odor. Please put Quran in the bin •They ask thee (O Muhammad) of the spoils of war. Say: The spoils of war belong to Allah and the messenger, so keep your duty to Allah, and adjust the matter of your difference, and obey Allah and His messenger, if ye are (true) believers.(Quran 8.1) •And know that out of all the booty that ye may acquire (in war), a fifth share is assigned to Allah,- and to the Messenger, and to near relatives, orphans, the needy, and the wayfarer (Quran 8.41)
Name: Truth Detector
Date: Sunday March 22, 2009
Time: 19:26:32 -0500
Comment
Anon Nymus, I use facts. Only Islam stones women to death. Only Islam, and Muslim perverts, torture little girls by practicing Female Genital Mutilation. Only Islam allows old pig pervert Muslim scumbags to kidnap little girls as young as eight years old, then go through a sham marriage that the child doesn't want, and then rape these children legally a la Islam. Only brutal Islam cuts off hands, feet, and gouges out eyes of petty thieves. Only Islam practices the animalistic ritual of honor killing. Only Islam calls on Satan/Allah to help them conquer the world. Only Islam teaches brutality. Only Islam teaches and practices cruelty. Only Islam allows Muslims to lie with impunity. Only Islam relegates women to second class citizenship. Only Islam employs goon brigades to whip women if they don't cover their bodies from head to toes, except for theirs. Only Islam forces men to stick their rears up to the sky, and bang their heads on the groung when they pray to Satan/Allah. Only Islam owns The Islamic War Manual, sometimes called the Qur'an. Only Islam has suicide bombers. Only Islam invented the suicide bomber. Only Islam teaches hatred. Only Islam uses its Mosques to store war materiel. Only Islam forces women and children to lead the Muslim armies. Only Islam allows old men to have sex with baby girls as long as the Muslim scumbags "do not penetrade." Only Islam is shameless when it commits all those sick, sick crimes.
Name: To Anon Nymus
Date: Sunday March 22, 2009
Time: 19:30:15 -0500
Comment
As usual someone who could not explain the inconsistencies and contradictions such as in the New and Old teststaments has no arsenal but to go and attack other religions with lies and fallacies. It is islam who go around attacking other religions with lies and also true GOD. You are a liar you know. It seen that you cannot read with understanding. What you say evil is GOOD and satan is good person.
Name: To Anon Nymus
Date: Sunday March 22, 2009
Time: 20:05:05 -0500
Comment
You are telling full of lies. You are a liar. satan is father of all lars. If you want to tell lie go to hell and tell those lies with the company of satan and his devils.
Name: To Anon Nymus
Date: Sunday March 22, 2009
Time: 20:52:22 -0500
Comment
You don't believe Jesus is GOD. You don't believe Jesus died on the cross. This is what your religion taught you. GOD will never forgive and take away your sins. You will going to hell lor. If Jesus is not GOD why Chirstians can received HOLY SPIRIT ( SPIRIT OF GOD ) through Jesus. GOD is not like human being. Spirit is inside body, speaking words disappear.1 God 1 person cannot functions as GOD. allah is like that. That mean allah is not God at all. When GOD spoke WORD came out of his mouth. WORD of GOD cannot disappear. Every things belong to GOD cannot be destoryed. The SPIRIT of GOD is inside and outside of GOD. The SPIRIT of GOD can cover the whole universe, this is omniPresent. The most powerfully person in this world is Spirit Of GOD, onmiPotent. He the one who stop satan from controlling this world. Therefore GOD is 1 GOD 3 persons. What Bible said is correct. Koh lan said is wrong and allah is not God.
Name: To Anon Nymus
Date: Sunday March 22, 2009
Time: 21:01:56 -0500
Comment
Can God take away your sins? Tell us. If God can take away your sins then God is corrupted, sinner and he broken his own laws. If you follow Kohlan bye bye you will go to hell and stay there forever.
Name: To Anon Nymus
Date: Sunday March 22, 2009
Time: 21:09:49 -0500
Comment
I know GOD very well, his law is sacred. Any persons broken his law whether angel or human being will go hell.
Name: To Anon Nymus
Date: Sunday March 22, 2009
Time: 21:33:55 -0500
Comment
Who is satan? He is former arch angel of God name lucifer. Why he become satan? He said in his heart he like most high. Isaiah 14:13,14. Most High is GOD. Like that only got kicked out of heaven into hell. I said GOD's law is very sacred. DEvil is falling angels. You better not follow muslin said that God created satan and jinns. This is blaspheme against GOD. Many muslin said Holy Spirit is angel gabriel If angel grabriel dare to say he is Holy Spirit he will become 2nd satan.
Name: To Anon Nymus
Date: Sunday March 22, 2009
Time: 21:45:12 -0500
Comment
GOD is good because he gave human beings 1 chance to escape hell. But GOD have to pay the price by become human being and sacrifice on the cross. Only that God can take away sins only for those ask him. That person was Jesus, only through Jesus. BIBLE is correct.
Name: 2 questions for Kafir Talih:
Date: Sunday March 22, 2009
Time: 23:31:07 -0500
Comment
“Current Muslims go to the extreme to play with the Arabic language by twisting it and distorting its rules and word meanings in order to save the Quran from its embarrassing scientific blunders.” 1. And what words of the Quran are not you twisting? “The Greek philosophers described a globe Earth and calculated its radius about 400 BC. A thousand years later the Quran was still talking about a flat Earth!” 2. Where is the Quarn does it say the earth is flat?
Name: To Truth Detector:
Date: Sunday March 22, 2009
Time: 23:58:24 -0500
Comment
Facts upside down: 1. Only Islam stones women to death. The West approves of adultery and encourages premarital affairs. 2. Muslim perverts: The highest figures in the world of child pornography are in the Asia and Western countries. 3. Torture little girls by practicing Female Genital Mutilation: Those figures have nothing to do with Islam, it is more cultural practice associated with Africans. 4. Only Islam allows old pig pervert Muslim scumbags to kidnap little girls as young as eight years old, then go through a sham marriage that the child doesn't want, and then rape these children legally a la Islam: Do not know where you got this from but if it under marriage and with the consent of the parents then it is honorable and much better than girls in the Western world who get pregnant at very young age and the best part is that sometimes they do not know who the father is. 5. Only Islam practices the animalistic ritual of honor killing: Has nothing to do with Islam. Show me a verse in the Quran that condones this. 6. Only Islam calls on Satan/Allah to help them conquer the world: that is the best one I heard today. Maybe we forgot Palestine, Iraq, Afghanistan and the list goes on. 7. Only brutal Islam cuts off hands, feet, and gouges out eyes of petty thieves: Only the West that does not punish criminal hard enough. Crimes flourishes and scores the highest rates in the world. 8. Only Islam teaches and practices cruelty: Islam teaches peace and your western low values teach hate, brutality and cruelty. 9. 10. Only Islam employs goon brigades to whip women if they don't cover their bodies from head to toes, except for their eyes: where is the verse in the Quarn that say so. Maybe the west that treat the woman as a commodity for sale. Every commercial on TV must involve women with provocative clothing. 11. Only Islam forces men to stick their rears up to the sky, and bang their heads on the ground when they pray to Satan/Allah: and what do you worship the crumbling $. You sell your souls and your pride and even your women for few of those.
Name: Peace
Date: Monday March 23, 2009
Time: 02:18:03 -0500
Comment
JAIPUR: In yet another dowry death in the district, a 32-year-old woman was allegedly set on fire by her in-laws at Kumharon Ka Mohalla under Bassi police station on Saturday. She was rushed to SMS Hospital in Jaipur where she succumbed to her injuries on Sunday morning. The victim’s father has lodged an FIR, but no arrest has been made as yet. According to police, the deceased – Anju Devi – was repeatedly beaten up by her in-laws including her husband Mahesh Jangid and his brother Bhanwar Lal. “Anju’s father Laxminarayan said that Mahesh and his family were demanding dowry ever since they got married a few years back. On Saturday morning, Mahesh, Bhanwar Lal and his wife poured kerosene and set her on fire at their house in Bassi,” said Rameshwar Bagariya, in-charge of Bassi police station.
Name: To - Mumin Salih(so called)
Date: Monday March 23, 2009
Time: 02:31:43 -0500
Comment
If you are ex muslim middle eastern men you are simply lying and any uneducated arab of any religion will say Quran is not ordinary arabic. Then why dont you challange Quran and write one sentence not a chapter and prove Quran wrong. Hey dude you know you are wasting your time , There are more people reading quran with open mind and converting to Islam. Islam is the fastest spreading religion in the world
Name: non believer
Date: Monday March 23, 2009
Time: 02:59:59 -0500
Comment
where was this god when Egyptian, Greek, Roman Hindu cultures were thriving? Why is it that he waited for a Moses to reveal himself and his commandments? Why did he then contradict him self while revealing to Mohammed. Why was he so partial to tribes in and around Jerusalem?. Why is he keeping quiet now when every believer is quarrelling that his god is god and other man,s god is Devil/Satan. All religions wanted to bring in some order in life. Since people would not believe, they said it was from god. Why don,t we forget god and believe in humanity. I really feel like laughing at Christian Muslim and Hindu people calling each other names to defend their god and religion. Should god if he she or it exists save them or should they save the poor god?
Name: To - Non Beliver
Date: Monday March 23, 2009
Time: 03:31:49 -0500
Comment
God was there when he created first man on earth thats Adam , since then basic concept of God teachings was same till now .He send the last prophet and last revelation , now its up to humanity to read and understand and decide which way to go.Quran clearly says there is no compelsion in religion.
Name: Re: Anon Nymus
Date: Monday March 23, 2009
Time: 03:38:35 -0500
Comment
First of all, the copy of the quran in the Topkapi Museum in Istanbul is, like another one in Tashkent, NOT identical with the alllegedly first copies from Uthman and the reason is very clear and simple: It is (like the other one in Tashkent) written in cufic letters which appeared 200 years after Muhammad. Secondly, what about the inconsistencies in the bible, concerning the 4 gospels? Who wrote them? They were, like all writings of the bible, written by humans. Thus, they are reflecting different opinions about Jesus. In contrast. the quran is allegedly written not only by only one person, but by god himself. Thus, there should be no errors and inconsisties at all. However, there are so many errors and contradictions, and there are even many versions of the same stories, which appear more than once, much like the gospels in the bible. But why should god himself "reveal" the same story in different, contradicting versions? If you say that a scripture was inspired by god, than there may be some errors and contradictions; you can even write a love story and tell the people that you were inspired by god. But if you claim that a whole book was written by god and nobody else, than it has to be perfect. But this not the case and I see absolutely no reason to believe that. It is very easy to show that the authors of the quran drew from many known sources, such as the bible, the talmud, apocryphals and from zoroastrian as well as arabian tradition. There is nothing of divine nature at all.
Name: prince 1
Date: Monday March 23, 2009
Time: 03:45:48 -0500
Comment
islam flourished in the past and will continue to spread in future due to those factors : 1- terrorism and intimidation 2- ignorance and fanaticism 3- deceptive propaganda & media dominance specialy in islamic countries . 4- leniency and naivete from the non muslims toward islam and their appeasement to muslims
Name: leigh to Anon Y Mus
Date: Monday March 23, 2009
Time: 04:00:23 -0500
Comment
Anon Mus sayS"Maybe because Christians already can see without anyone telling them that there are plenty of fallacies and contradictions in their scriptures, such as that can be seen clearly through inconsistencies from Mark, Mathew, Luke and John books. There is no point in me going into the details, but clearly an evolution of writing is evident there that even non-muslim historians agree to.' Come on my friend ans go through the contradictions you claim to exist. Why did you bring up the Bible any way since the article said NOTHING about the Bible.' You can learn about the Bible from any number of Christian websites so have a look sos you don't write speak from the bias of having been told the Bible is corrupted by your imam. That is as Jesus said like a blind man leading another blind man into a ditch .Your eternal life depends on it as Mohammad and your imam cant defend you on the day of judgment before Yahweh the holy God . Can you stand before the holy Yahweh and live? Even Mohamamd was frightened of punishment in the grave and couldnt give his relatives any assurance about their fate. If HE was frightened YOU should dread your judgment.
Name: Anti Clot - The Origin of the Quran
Date: Monday March 23, 2009
Time: 04:06:51 -0500
Comment
In the quran we can find many traces from the sources it derived from. Most important is the bible, since the quran copies many errors and inconsitencies from it. The stories of Moses and Pharao are not historical! Pharao is a titel and not a name! The fact that both the bible and the quran refer to the egytian opponent of Moses as Pharaoh clearly reveal that arabs retold stories from the bible. But until today there are no hints who Moses really was, when he lived and who the Pharaoh was. The title "Pharaoh" was not in use during the alleged lifetime of Moses, and Egypt had so many, many kings and we know their names and their ruling times. But there is no hint when the "Pharaoh" of Moses lived and how he was really called. And there were no cruxifications in ancient egypt and we don´t have any accounts about the alleged plagues. Another example is the Surah 18 The Cave, which clearly consists of christian traditions: The christian Alexander Romance, which refers to Alexander as a holy man, and the story of the Seven Sleepers of Ephesus ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Sleepers ). Both stories did not make it into the bible for various reasins, but into the quran for one reason: There was obviously some need for holy texts to distinguish the quran from the bible. But from a scientific viewpoint, there is not only nothing special, but there are also serious errors in this surah: Alexander was known as idolator who drank alcohol and was even homosexual, which is all very sinful according to islamic thinking. And, last but not least, the sun does not hide in murky waters. This part of the quran does not reveal anything. It only tells how it may look like. But this is not a revealation. A revealation means to tell how the world is in real and NOT how it appears to be.
Name: prince 1
Date: Monday March 23, 2009
Time: 04:14:45 -0500
Comment
there is three complete old versions of the bible from the 3'rd century 400 years before islam prove that the bible is now the same as the original .and also more the 24000 manuscripts from the 2'nd century too. and its scinece fact that the bible is better preserved than quran . and even according to quran the bible is the authentic words of god. for more information visit www.answeringislam.com
Name: think about it
Date: Monday March 23, 2009
Time: 04:51:39 -0500
Comment
i agree that there is some bad practices in the west too . but those practices is result of the freedom of all faiths including the non religious also . and not based on the bible or hindu or budha teaching. its a personal behaviour of some people . the bible for example have the ten commandments . and teach not to kill . not to steeal . not to commit adultery and to love your neighbor like yourself and even to love your enemy . the standard here is the holy bible not the conduct of some people .
Name: Anti Clot - Was the Bible corrupted?
Date: Monday March 23, 2009
Time: 05:12:40 -0500
Comment
While islamic teaches claim that, there is not a single piece of papyrus or other evidence ever found that would support this claim. Though Archaeologists found millions of pieces of papyri fragments, there is not a single one that would hint that there had been more original bible texts in existence before. In particular there is not a single piece of evidence or hint that there had been any islamic-like tradition with influence on any writings before Muhammad though we have many evidence that there were indeed many heretic or heterodox movements OTHER than islam such as gnosticism, judeo-christianism and many, many others. Thus, if there had been any corruption at all, it wasn´t in the islamic sense. That´s why many islamic "scholars" point to the Gospel of Barnabas which in fact is nothing but a laughable, medieval text created much later in Europe, with many, many errors such as geographical errors (Jerusalem is NOT at the coast of the Mediterranean sea) and many more.
Name: subhanalla suhnalla good one al ham dull ill aahhh
Date: Monday March 23, 2009
Time: 05:14:21 -0500
Comment
subhanalla suhnalla good one al ham dull ill aahhh
Name: all humans r part of nature the true god
Date: Monday March 23, 2009
Time: 05:26:54 -0500
Comment
all humans r part of nature the true god.if someone want to worship stones or anything let them have the freedom to do.
Name: To-Anti Clot
Date: Monday March 23, 2009
Time: 06:52:32 -0500
Comment
The amazing thing about the Christians' sworn affidavits (writings attributed to Matthew, Mark, Luke and John) is that not a single one of them is duly attested. Not a single one bears the signature, mark or thumb-print of its author in the so-called originals. They now boast of being in possession of over 5000 "originals" of which no two "originals" are identical. Amazing! Little-wonder the Christians themselves label their Gospels as — "The Gospel according to St. Matthew", "The Gospel according to St. Mark", "The Gospel according to St. Luke" and "The Gospel according to St. John". When Christian scholars are asked why the words "according to" 1 are repeated at the beginning of every Gospel, the obvious implication is that they are not autographed. It is only assumed that they are authored by the names the Gospels carry today. The translators of the "New International Version" have unceremoniously expunged the "According to’s" from the four Gospels in their latest translation. Of the alleged Gospel writers, viz., Matthew, Mark, Luke and John it can be categorically stated that 50% were not even the elected Twelve Disciples of Jesus (pbuh). dare humbly claim that such unattested documents would be thrown out of hand, in any Court-of-Law, in any civilised country, in just two minutes. Furthermore, one of the alleged witnesses, St. Mark, tells us that at the most critical juncture in the life of Jesus — "All his disciples forsook him and fled"- (Mark 14:50). Please ask your Christian friend, "Does "all" mean all in your language, you Englishman?" (This applies to the North American as well) And he will no doubt say — "Yes!";
Name: To-Anti Clot
Date: Monday March 23, 2009
Time: 07:02:03 -0500
Comment
Why do not the Christian controversialists give their "Lord and Master" credit for this simple common-sense? Because they have been programmed for a period of two thousand years that Jesus, the "lamb", the "prince of peace", couldn't harm a fly. They overlook the other side of his nature which demanded blood and fire! They forget his instructions to his soldiers regarding those of his enemies who would not like him to rule over them, to bring them forth: . . . and SLAY1 them before me." (HOLY BIBLE) Luke 19:27 "Think NOT that I am come to send PEACE on earth; I. came NOT to send PEACE, but a SWORD." (HOLY BIBLE) Matthew 10:34 "I am come to send FIRE on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled? Suppose ye that I am come to give PEACE on earth? I tell you, NAY; but rather DIVISION." (HOLY BIBLE) Luke 12:49 & 51 In view of these solemn pronouncements and his repeated vitriolic outbursts against the learned men of his time, if the sword of Peter had prevailed, we would have witnessed a massacre without compunction, equal to that of his ancestor Joshua (meaning Jehova — Saviour)2 who utterly destroyed all that was in Jericho: "both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the SWORD." (HOLY BIBLE) Joshua 6:21 And the Gospel writers would not have been slow in putting words into the mouth of Jesus, word for word, as fulfilment of prophecies VATICINIUM EX EVENTU (prophecies after the event) as recorded3 of his "father" (?) David.
Name: Concerned
Date: Monday March 23, 2009
Time: 07:19:28 -0500
Comment
Mumin Salih has done an excellent job of debunking Islamic myths. Truth Detecter posed some irrefutable questions. Some pathetic Islamic has no answers to them but defends inhuman practices like stoning to death and cutting off hands. It is his way of ensuring justice. This is what Wafa Sutan called 'stone age'mentality. Muslims are caught in a time warp.
Name: Anti Clot - Re: Anti Clot
Date: Monday March 23, 2009
Time: 07:23:33 -0500
Comment
I agree that the 4 Gospels of the Bible are all pseudepigrapha, e.g. they were written by unknown scholars and their names are later additions. This was a very common practice and I have no intention to refute that. In my view it is of course necessary to read all so-called holy writings critically, including the bible and the quran. What I wanted to point out in my comment was that while the quran/islam regards the bible as corrupted, it heavily relies on it and the main intention of the quran is to invent an arabic monotheistic tradition which never existed much longer before mohammad. If all the prophets recognised by islam did really believe in anything like islam, there would have been traces of it and Judaism and Christianity would turn out to be heretical teachings. But there is no evidence for this claim. There is much evidence that there had been gnosticism and other movements heretical to judaism and christianity, but nothing at all similar to islam, and all we can say is that islam is a later, heretical invention by muhammad and his followers against Judaism and Christianity. Thus, Judaism and Christianity are more original than islam and not vice versa. It is Islam that drew so many things, including errors, contradictions, miracle stories and fairytales from the bible and other sources and not vice versa. There are so many stories in the quran nobody can understand properly and this is why so many hadith were written later. The allegedly so clear quran was in need for some explanation and there was also need to become more independent from the bible.
Name: Akul
Date: Monday March 23, 2009
Time: 07:32:31 -0500
Comment
Mohammed Alexander Russell Webb (1846-1916): His father, Alexander Nelson Webb, was a leading journalist of his day and perhaps influenced his son's later journalistic exploits. Webb received his early education at the Home School in Glendale, Massachusetts and later attended Claverack College, an advanced high school near Hudson, New York. He became editor of the Unionville Republican, Unionville, Missouri. His prowess as a journalist was soon apparent, and he was offered the city editorship of the St. Joseph Gazette in St. Joseph, Missouri. Next he became associate editor of the Missouri Morning Journal. Later he became the Assistant City Editor of the Missouri Republican in St. Louis. This newspaper was the second oldest and largest daily newspaper at that time. While working for the Missouri Republican, he was appointed (in September, 1887) by President Cleveland to be Consular Representative to the Philippines at the U.S. office at Manila. According to the editor of his book The Three Lectures, he had given up any concept of religion at least fifteen years before that point. He started his life as a Presbyterian but found it dull and restraining. As early as 1881 he started a search for his true faith by reading in books from a well stocked library of over 13,000 volumes that he had access to. He started his study with Buddhism and finding it lacking, he began to study Islam. In 1888, he formally declared himself to be a Muslim. (Wikipedia) The following is Muhammad Webb's account of his journey to Islam as reported in the abridged version of "Islam - Our Choice" published by Begum Aisha Bawani Wakf, Karachi, 1970. I have been requested to tell you why I, an American, born in a country which is nominally Christian, and reared under the drippings, or more properly perhaps the driveling, of an orthodox Presbyterian pulpit, came to adopt the faith of Islam as my guide in life. I might reply promptly and truthfully that I adopted this religion because I found, after protracted study, that it was the best and only system adapted to the spiritual needs of the humanity. And here let me say that I was not born as some boys seem to be, with a fervently religious strain in my character. When I reached the age of twenty, and became practically my own master, I was so tired of the restraint and dullness of the Church, that I wandered away from it and never returned to it. Fortunately I was of an enquiring turn of mind - I wanted a reason for everything, and I found that neither laymen nor clergy could give me any rational explasm and monads (explanation of this faith), and yet not one of them could tell me what were mysterious or that they were beyond my comprehension. About eleven years ago I became interested in the study of Oriental religions... I read Mill and Locke, Kant, Hegel, Fichte, Huxley, and many other more or less learned writers discoursing with a great show of wisdom concerning protoplasm and monads, and yet not one of them could tell me what the soul was or what became of it after death. I have spoken so much of myself in order to show you that my adoption of Islam was not the result of misguided sentiment, blind credulity, or sudden emotional impulse, but it was born of earnest, honest, persistent, unprejudiced study and investigation and an intense desire to know the truth. The essence of the true faith of Islam is resignation to the will of God [Allah] and its corner stone is prayer. It teaches universal fraternity, universal love, and universal benevolence, and requires purity of mind, purity of action, purity of speech and perfect physical cleanliness. It, beyond doubt, is the simplest and most elevating form of religion known to man.
Name: Re: Akul
Date: Monday March 23, 2009
Time: 08:31:27 -0500
Comment
How sentimental! Quote: "..., universal love ... benevolence, and requires purity of mind, purity of action, purity of speech and perfect physical cleanliness. ... beyond doubt, is the simplest and most elevating form of religion known to man." But here are the facts: Islam teaches religious apartheid, gender apartheid, slavery, stupid believe and it is responsible for the backwardness of more than 1 billion people who never had the choice of anything else but islam, for the daily brainwashing of innocent people with the only intention to turn them into suicide attackers, wife beaters and whatsoever. Without doubt, the world would be much better of without islam.
Name: Re: Akul
Date: Monday March 23, 2009
Time: 08:42:52 -0500
Comment
Mohammed Alexander Russell Webb turned to Islam and then played down the Armenian Genocide by the Ottomans. Is this the meaning of what you call universal love, fraternity and benevolence??? The Armenians were innocent people and their only "crime" was that they were no muslims. Universal love? What women in islam? How many muslim women were stoned to death for the "crime" that were raped by muslims?
Name: duh_swami
Date: Monday March 23, 2009
Time: 08:58:46 -0500
Comment
It's all vanity...I have read the most boring book in the world, The Quran, cover to cover twice...I have read 'lot's' of Hadith by various compilers, I have read some of Tabari's works, I have read other books, I listen to what Muslims say, and I watch what they do...I have been 'looking into' Islam daily for seven years now...I am not a Christian or any other religion but I know a good deal about them...My impression of Islam...The religion and it's submitters are 'messed up'...They are like Humpty Dumpty who was sitting on a wall, he read the Quran and got so worked up, he had a great fall, and broke into numerous small pieces...The moral of the story is, if you read the Quran with the preconceived idea that Allah is God and Mohammad his messenger, you will fall off the wall, and like Humpty, mentally fragment into pieces...Only a kufr reading it critically will not experience the 'Humpty syndrome'...A Muslim reading the Quran critically morphs into an apostate and his pieces rejoin...
Name: duh_swami
Date: Monday March 23, 2009
Time: 09:21:24 -0500
Comment
Akul sez: It,(Islam) beyond doubt, is the simplest and most elevating form of religion known to man...... Tell me Akul, what does it feel like to be a supremacist? Do you accept the part of Islam that says you are 'obligated' to jihad? Do you take 9:5, or 9:29 seriously? What about 9:111 or my favorite 5:33? Are you willing to implement an 'honor killing' if the occasion arises? Do you believe an apostate should be killed, adulterers stoned?...Yes by cracky, it is elevated, if you are a lunar-tic...Your flowery description of Islam bears false witness...All those good ideas you had, can be acquired through other sources without selling your soul to Allah...
Name: Free from indoctrination
Date: Monday March 23, 2009
Time: 11:54:47 -0500
Comment
on the question of supreme being and the will of supreme being, there is no end of polemics and islam lead the way in it and convince and appeal most of the stereotypes. but i believe human is supreme being who exude full spectrum from basest to exaltest in an evoloutionary ladder. this not only encompases our this short compartmantalised life , be it worst or best of all, it goes even beyound death, there are carbon cycle, nitrogen cycle and we are minly composed of water and our brain seem to be some sort of bio plasmic existance. our mind, brain heart all get decomposed when we die but the intense feelings, nostalgia , love , reminiscence, desires, urges . exuberance, hatered , envie, ego are like universal logos which never die yet we die. we are mere transient station house of these all.And it is we who must do our earnest to design higher trade-off among these all and be a true vicegerent of god, but islam in its orthodox rage is main hurdle toward this end. we cab observe, thanks advances of science that physics reveal that a quark move both cloakwise and anti-cloakwise and our earth rotate anticloakwise which is also the direction of motion of all other planets of our solar system. the movement of quark both cloakwise and anti-cloakwise is a pointer that life and death is from whithin it is all an evoloution which is another way of reincarnation.
Name:
Date: Monday March 23, 2009
Time: 13:11:22 -0500
Comment
evry muslim knows islaam and God vry well.and one thing that the Holly Quraan teaches us is that dont make fun of others religio, that true muslims really do.Quraan is not wrong actually ur thinking iz wrong ...u r relly blind , dumb etc. dont dare to talk rubish about ialaam or Quraan. u r just................
Name: Kmgy
Date: Monday March 23, 2009
Time: 14:02:43 -0500
Comment
An explanation to Matthew 10:34. When you follow Jesus Christ you are at odds or in conflict with the ways of the world, the ways of getting instead of giving, the ways of greed instead of generosity, the ways of hate instead of love.
Name: to jehova-jesus is fake
Date: Monday March 23, 2009
Time: 19:39:49 -0500
Comment
You are a liar. satan is your father.
Name: to jehova-jesus is fake
Date: Monday March 23, 2009
Time: 19:45:40 -0500
Comment
You are stupid and retarded. you are used by satan, to bring stupid people to hell.
Name: lens
Date: Monday March 23, 2009
Time: 20:41:53 -0500
Comment
ST. Matthew 10:33 - But whosoever shall deny me (JESUS) before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
Name: jenn
Date: Tuesday March 24, 2009
Time: 02:03:20 -0500
Comment
Prophet Mohammad had a job as the manager of a child raping organisation before he took up the job of been the messenger of allah. LOL
Name: True Indian
Date: Tuesday March 24, 2009
Time: 05:42:04 -0500
Comment
Let me just ask a question from the groups of people who support islam. 1.How many of them who left islam and started following other religion have come up in open told the truth? It shows the intolerance level of muslims... 2.How many of the muslims girls are allowed to marry a non muslims guy ? If any one of them who support islam can tell me the sensible answers i wud really really appreiciate. (Please dont come with the lame excuses like no one gets converted.no one get married.) Islamic ideologies are totally crap and this dont let muslims to think beyond quran.they judge everythng on the basis of quran.I wont blame them that there fault.
Name: Walter Sieruk
Date: Tuesday March 24, 2009
Time: 16:02:17 -0500
Comment
Regarding myth number 4. Of course the Muslim who reads the Quran will see great beauty in the way the words are arranged. This, in part, is because of the power of suggestion, after being told so many times that Quran is so beautiffully written the Muslim will see it as so. That's an old brainwashing method, repeating and being told that same thing again and again. Since they are always told the same lie, that person will end up believing that lie. Also, in addition to that the Imams try discourage their people from reading other written works. So with then they don't have much or anything to compare or contrast the Quran with. Of coures there are some well read Muslims that do read other work, but they read other things only after they were already brainwashed by the Imams into believing that the Quran is so beautiful. In short, the Muslims can't read the Quran objectively because their Imams have programed thnem to have a strong bias towards it.
Name: lens
Date: Tuesday March 24, 2009
Time: 23:42:20 -0500
Comment
ST. Matthew 10:34 - Think not that I am come to send peace on earth : I came not to send peace, but a sword.....Did anyone take Jesus's sword and poke to no name's heart. He is warning to small children not to me......."evry muslim knows islaam and God vry well.and one thing that the Holly Quraan teaches us is that dont make fun of others religio, that true muslims really do.Quraan is not wrong actually ur thinking iz wrong ...u r relly blind , dumb etc. dont dare to talk rubish about ialaam or Quraan. u r just................" What you think about Jesus's sword. What Jesus is doing everyday when he is in this world, fight wars? or preaching?. Sword can be his word.
Name: koran disbeliever
Date: Wednesday March 25, 2009
Time: 06:42:38 -0500
Comment
If anyone wants to see some good videos about the dubious and plagiarized origins of the Koran and Islam I suggest you visit http://www.youtube.com/user/IslamWatch08
Name: vbv
Date: Thursday March 26, 2009
Time: 03:39:21 -0500
Comment
They say that Atheists cannot prove that god doesn't exist. Can the theist prove that this super-demonaic fictional character "god" exists? No they cannot. They will go back to their "scriptures" which is nothing but contrived, concocted bullshit, a bunch of fiction at best a mythology, making extraordinary and impossible claims about this god and his dwelling place they call "heaven". This 'god' is supposed to be a creator, and if that were so , who created tis fucking creature 'god'? Obviously devious and deluded minds, also crooked minds that want grab power to rule over people witout any questions being asked about them or their moral position. Me f religion are basically three types: 1) the deluded ones who sincerely believe in all that bullhit; 2) those who want to use these bullshits to grab power, raw olitical powr and the accompanying pelf; and # those scondrels who just want to swidle and lead a life of luxury and comfort without honestly working for it. It is all about money and wealth all the way. Any monastery or ashram or Church or Mosque cannot be run without the fundamental invention of man:"money". Can this "god" provide anything without this "money" , after all you need money even to purchase the basic necassities of life.Take away the money from these organisations ,they will collapse in no time.And to top it all they even get tax reliefs and concessions whipoor mortals are denied. Does this "god" need all the tax concessions or reliefs? The whole thing of religion is a systematic fraud on people. Religion has done more harm than good, it perpetrates more evil than anything else, it has killed more humans than any other wars.It is a disease that becomes incurable with gullble idiots asking for more despite its debilitating and disastrous effects.
Name: Kmgy
Date: Thursday March 26, 2009
Time: 03:57:18 -0500
Comment
Give unto Caesar what is Caesar's. Give unto God what is God's. You cannot serve two masters at the same time. The LOVE of MONEY is the root of all evil.
Name: vbv
Date: Thursday March 26, 2009
Time: 04:47:57 -0500
Comment
To kmgy: Give unt Ceaser..Give unto God what's God's....hat's God's? Money was "created" by this "god" heh? Nonsense! God was in fact created by a bunch of scoundrels to make an easy living off others' hard-earned wealth. What's God's property? Nothing but what these scoundrels make by swindling in the name of that "God".Why should not these "religious" institutions / organisations pay all the taxes which every hardworking citizen of a country pays? This "god" is a beggar who lives off the alms of gullible idiots and yet claims the money,the pelf which is legal tender having the authority of the Central Bank of the country aqs 'his own , hence he has nothing to claim as 'his own'.It is all claimed by scoundrels who run these organisations/ institutions in the name of that "God". This "god" is nothing but fiction created by scoundrels . There is no God. If you are sure there is a super-duper 'creature' called "God" ,then the onus is on you to prove it without the crutch of fraudulent "scriptures", without amiguity and show where this 'creature' of the human mind physically "dwells". You can't expect an atheist to prove what is non-existent: You cannot prove that Cindrella or Rumpelstiltskin exists except in a book of Fairy Tales.
Name: Kmgy
Date: Thursday March 26, 2009
Time: 05:27:57 -0500
Comment
To vbv. I cannot fault you for not believing in the Creator. True there are people who uses religion for their own selfish interests. It is the duty of the victims to bring the perpetrators to justice in a court of law. Thats why Jesus gave warnings about wolves in sheep's clothing (an analogy) out to deceive the unwary.
Name: vbv
Date: Thursday March 26, 2009
Time: 06:11:34 -0500
Comment
To kmgy: I have nothing personal against Jesus, for I presume he did not use religion to enrich himself ,line his pockets with gold. He may have certain beliefs ,but I am sure he would not push it down the throat of an unwilling person. I would place him alongside Budha , though I would say Budha would definitely be several knotches higher as he was a king , a ruler of a large kingdom comprising Nepal and Northern parts of India . He could have led a life of luxury and abandon as he was literally born with a golden spoon. For him to leave a regal life in search for "truth"(I personally don't subscribe to this foolishness)and become a mendicant takes a lot of 'superhuman willpower' , so to say, unlike Jesus who was born in a poor carpenter's family. What I am against is the organised 'religion' like christan churches or muslim ummas who claim to be the mouthpieces of their "God" and their founder Jesus/Muhamad and commit untold attrocities ,subject the gullible idiots to unfounded fears , making life miserable on non-compliance, etc. I hope you get my drift. All organised religions are essentially wicked,self-seeking, avaricious and intolerant. I am not talking only of islam or christianity ,but also of organised sects in hinduism,or Budhism or Jainism,or Taoism,etc. Anything organised takes away individual freedom and abuses individual human rights. You in Europe have already experienced it when church interfered in the affairs of the State.The case of islam is even worse, as islam is a poltico-religious system where 'religion and government' cannot be divested or divorced at all, which why they are so particular about their barbaric code "sharia" ,which cannot be questioned or 'reformed' in any way as it is supposed to be "divinely ordained". That's why islam is a far greater danger to the existence of non-muslims who should become submissive to muslims and there is no question of human rights,freedom of religion,freedom of conscience, or any other freedom , except to submit to the draconian and barbaric laws of Sharia.And islam is the most 'organised' of the 'organised reliions', though seemingly appearing to be not so. The ultimate objective of islam is to bring evryone under the rule of the Arabs. It is an arab dogma , nothing else, a highly destructed and bigoted one.
Name: Kmgy
Date: Thursday March 26, 2009
Time: 11:06:00 -0500
Comment
To vbv. I share your belief of personal freedom and human rights. We are lucky we are born in democratic countries where freedom of expression is cherished and enshrined in the laws of the land and not in Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan or other totalitarian state. We have a common ground against Islam since it is bent on WORLD DOMINATION at the expense of non-Muslims. In the end what matters is what we THINK, SAY and DO to our fellow human beings. We (Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, pagans, atheists, agnostics) are all here in search of truth.
Name: Walter Sieruk
Date: Thursday March 26, 2009
Time: 15:45:58 -0500
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To answer myth #4 again but in other way. First,all someone has to do is to examine some of the great works of literature to find much written beauity. Such as the Greek epic poet Homer with his ILIAD and ODYSSEY and also the Latin poets Horance and then Virgil who produced the AENEID. Even one of the nonm-Bible books in the APOCRYRHA called SONG OF THREE CHILDREN is alos very beautiful. Thus, just because someone may see a work written in great beauty doesn't mean it's inspired by God. Second, the scholar Edward Gibbon wrote after examaning the Quran that it is an "incoherent jumble rhapsody of fable and precept and declamation which soldom excites a sentiment or an idea,which sometimes crawls in the dust and is sometimes lost in the clouds..." And the writer Thomas Carlyle wrote the Quran is "A wearsome jumble, crude, incondite [with] endless iterations [and] longwindedness..." Like , the philosoher David Hume was NOT favorably impressed after reading the Quran. Maybe beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Nevertheless, even if a written work seems beautiful to the reader, that does not in itself mean that it came from God. [Source of the three scholars mentioned is from the book SECRETS OF THE KORAN:REVEALING INSIGHTS INTO ISLAM'S HOLY BOOK p.65,66. By Don Richardson]
Name: the truth of topkapi
Date: Friday March 27, 2009
Time: 14:11:23 -0500
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some rapid muslim fanatics keep claiming quran is unchanged and uthmanic -what bull shit for the quran to be accepted as authentic the muslem should produce a quraish script quran dating to 650 ad if he cant produce it its shows massive copy editing of the quran nobody can except topkapi or any other quran as a true copy because the original source doest exist also if the muslims truly belive the quran to be the word of god why are they hesitant for analysis of the oldest available codices by learned scientists ,archeologists and other experts also why the saudi govt is afraid of archeological digs in the kingdom of arabia to correlate the events entold in the quran -the only logical conclusion islam and the quran are massive frauds perpetuated on mankind
Name: Reading the Quran!!!
Date: Saturday March 28, 2009
Time: 14:28:37 -0500
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Hey folks, I've read the Quran so no muslim, or Western apologist, can accuse me of not knowing what I'm talking about. Islam is evil and not only is the Quran boring and poorly written, it is also repetitive, and filled with calls to invade, plunder, rape, inslave, and murder. Only a fool would accpet this supremacist ideology for a loving peaceful religion. Additionally, I just read an article on the Fox News website that discussed the presence of islam in Derborne Michigan. Many of those interviewed, who were Muslim women, expressed doubt that they would ever accept America and integrate into society. Sounds like they are trying to repeat their success in Europe by importing the same tactics to America. Time to slam the door shut on further muslim immigration, we already have the enemy within and it's islam!!!
Name: PNUT
Date: Tuesday March 31, 2009
Time: 03:39:56 -0500
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This "god" is nothing but fiction created by scoundrels . There is no God. If you are sure there is a super-duper 'creature' called "God" ,then the onus is on you to prove it without the crutch of fraudulent "scriptures", without amiguity and show where this 'creature' of the human mind physically "dwells". You can't expect an atheist to prove what is non-existent: You cannot prove that Cindrella or Rumpelstiltskin exists except in a book of Fairy Tales. Well said, at best religion is mythology and fables. Any rational mind ought to see right through the absurdities. Look at a picture of tthe Galaxy and then tell me that anything capable of creating that would give a flip about whether humans follow some stupid rituals, or rules in a book. It's absurd. Islam s particularly terrible because it is an ideology at odds with basic human rights, freedom,justice, and love. Islam is an inferior ideology from an inferior "culture". Why in the world would anyone want to go backwards and live like the stone-Age Arabs..to hell with that,those people were barbarians,little better than animals. Islam has brought nothing but misery to the world.
Name: The retaded Mahdi and 13th Imam
Date: Tuesday March 31, 2009
Time: 21:05:02 -0500
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There is no god but mohammad and Allah is his prophet. Mohammad was the 13th reincarnation of Jesus and Buddha. Mohammad died on the cross for our sins when he traveled back in time on his flying donkey. that’s how much Mohammad loves us. Every now and then there are reincarnations of the Mohammad /Buddha /Jesus avatar god and I am the 50th number 49 being Adolph Hitler (pbuh)who sacrificed himself to save us fro m the evil jew of which the holy prophet Borat (pbuh) warned us about. I now invite all you Muslims and Christians to worship me the 50th reincarnation of the holy god Mohammad /Jesus/ Buddha. if you worship me you shall have eternal life if not you will burn in hell whilst Jews eat your corpse. Soon my new revelation will be published the Koran II and all the world will know the truth. Thus Speakth the retarded Mahdi!
Name: Surender
Date: Friday April 03, 2009
Time: 12:02:05 -0500
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All religions are equally good and bad. No religion in the world is perfect.Men are good or bad not because of religion but due to their genetic predisposition and terrain they live in.One must accept good teachings from all religions,should be just ,truthful,loving,benevolent.Their is no need of a crutch for God fearing gentle human beings.The institutionalised religions are a great threat to all kinds of lives.They have waged wars and killed numerous beings .The worst suffereres remain women and children.The best among religions are those which permit a man to love nature and makes one feel the existence of God in all living beings and in beautiful life and nature.Love and preservation of nature and its living beings is true religion, rest is just conjecture and compulsion of beliefs due to having been born in a particular religion.God is always in nature and within and not in anywhere else.God is what you love and like .It may be a flower or any adorable thing or object .Idol is not God but God is in idol for those who see him in it and God comes their where a worshipper wants to see him in .It is truth.God is where truth and love is .
Name: It’s a big Hoax that Terrorist’s have no religion!
Date: Sunday April 05, 2009
Time: 08:38:40 -0400
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It’s a big Hoax that Terrorist’s have no religion!Here is that:- 1. O Muslim Believers ! don’t make Yahudies and Christians as your friends . Who will be do so, will be known likewise . Sura 5 Aayat 51 . 2. O Believers ! (Muslim) Don’t make Non-Muslim as your friends and real friends . Sura 3:28, 4:89 , 9:16 . 3. O Muslims ! don’t marry unbelievers men and women till they are not converted . Sura 2 : Aayat 221 . 4. Momin men and women are only friends to each other .. No Muslim should kill the other muslim and should not take other Momins money . Do Jihad with Non-Muslims .. Their last shelter is Hell . Sura 9 Aayat 71, : Sura 4 : 29, Sura 9 : 73 . 5. Non-Muslims are from Devils party “ Momins are from Allahas party ” will win and the devils party will defeat . Sura 58 Aayat 19-21 . 6. Hang and Cut the hands and legs of non-beleivers . Where you find out Mushrik “Non-Muslim”.. kill them .. Sura 5 Aayat 33, Sura 9 Aayat 5 . 7. Non-believers “Christians” say that Yeshu is the son of God , They don’t know what they say .. Sura 10 Aayat 60,68 . 8. They “Christians,Yahudies” say that no one else can enter the Heaven except them . Are they having any proof ? Sura 2 Aayat 111 . 9. O Christians and Yahudies ! Don’t cross your limits , Allaha is one and only one.. when he is not having any wife then how he can have any son . Don’t mix untruth with truth .. Sura 1 Aayat 171 , Sura 6 Aayat 100,101 . 10- Those Christians have made worldly saints and the son of Mariyam “Yeshu” as . their God.. But there is no God except Allaha.. Sura 9 Aayat 31 . 11. Those “Christians” having book , neither they believe Allaha nor the last day .. “O Muslims” fight with them , make them slaves rule upon them and they should pay Jizia “ Muslim ruler Tax for safe living of Non-Muslims” . Sura 9 Aayat 29 . 12. O Book believers ! “Christians & Yahudis” don’t discuss or debate the subject which you don’t know . “Ibrahim” was neither Yahudi nor Christian but he was a pure Muslim . He was never from Mushriks (Non-Muslims) . Quran Sura 3 Aayat 65-67.Meanings of all Quran Aayat from M.S.S. Abul fazal enclave Jamia nagar Del-25 Ph.26911652 13. There is no excuse for a Muslim from Jihad.. The only check for a real Muslim is Jihad . Allaha is giving punishment through the hands of Jihadies and also helping them for the same . Allaha will also remove the all miseries of Jihadies . Give shelter to other Jihadies and help them . where ever you find Non-Muslims murder them.. Allaha is very merciful and great forgiver . Sura 9 Aayat 44,14, Sura 8 Aayat 72 Sura 9 Aayat 5 . 14. O Believers “Muslims”! fight with non-believers which are close to you , they should get punishment from you .. Allaha has taken your life in return of Haven . Be happy on this deal . Fight on the path of Allaha , kill and be killed . It is not suitable for a Muslim profat to keep the Non-Muslims in his prison, (kill them Because)they may do bloodshed on the Earth . Fitna (war between two ideologies) is verse than Slaughtering . Sura 9: 123,111, Sura 8:67, Sura 2:193 15. Looted money, meals and females of Non-Muslims are pious for use. 8:69, 4:24. More the Ministers Media and money shelter , More the Blasts?