Islam Under Scrutiny by Ex-Muslims

The Genesis and Working of Radical Islam

Puneet Madan on the inaugural Human Rights Coalition Against Radical Islam Rally in New York on May 3, 2009:


We are a multi-lingual, multi-cultural, multi-religious, multi-ethnic group that have gathered in Times Square, New York, today (May 3, 2009) under the Human Rights Coalition Against Radical Islam (HRCARI) banner to reaffirm the most basic of principles that our ancestors stood for when, over six decades ago, they established the United Nations, the cornerstone of a hoped-for global democracy. In doing so, they hoped to ensure that never again would humankind face the persecution it suffered during the tragedies of the mid-20th century. The establishment of the United Nations was to be the beginning of a new era in which people of different religion, cultures, castes, and color would together create a new global society, a humanistic society, finally overcoming the fascism and imperialism of the times past.

HRCARI reaffirms the most basic principles human rights: freedom of speech, freedom of religion, the right to vote, and the assurance that all human beings are equal, regardless of his social, cultural, gender, racial, sexuality or religious status.

For many in our world, democracy is considered the essence of human freedom. However, for others, the term “democracy” has come to imply only the right to vote. This is exemplified in the many Islamic countries that hold elections, even while exhibiting nary a trace of freedom. The most famous recent example of elections without the "essence of democracy" include the 2006 election of Hamas in the Palestinian Territories. The reality is that freedom, as a concept, has been defined straight out of existence. While most people in the world define freedom and human rights according to the universalistic notions set forth in the UN’s Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UNUDHR), and other documents such as the United States’ Declaration of Independence, radical Muslims have defined “freedom” to mean the freedom they enjoy to exploit human suffering and dignity, a "freedom", they believe, is granted them by their age-old religious scripture. They are, in short, demanding that the democratic, freedom-loving world be tolerant to their intolerance.

In the 1930s, when Jews were forced to wear arm bands in Nazi Germany, the world ignored their plight. One of the excuses for ignoring Jewish suffering during the Holocaust was a perceived need to be "sensitive" to the plight of Nazi Germany. It is still an open question why and how the world ignored and appeased the Nazi threat for as long as it did, until action was finally taken. But it is clear that by ignoring the Nazi threat, the world permitted a massive human tragedy, the Holocaust, to happen. The United Nations was founded in the wake of that tragedy in order to prevent another Holocaust.

Ironically the same story repeated itself in 1999, when the Taliban forced Afghan Hindus and Sikhs to wear orange armbands. They also were responsible for the genocide of the Hazara Muslims in Northern Afghanistan. Let loose, the Taliban grew into a global threat by 2001, and we are still living under the shadow of that threat. Today, the media and politicians are attempting to claim there is a “moderate Taliban.” The term “moderate Taliban” is an oxymoron in itself. Once again we are making deals and compromising the very definition of the “universal human dignity” in order to be “sensitive” towards the demands of perpetrators of genocide.

Presently, whenever a terrorist kills innocent people in horrific events such attacks on September 11, 2001 (New York), March 27, 2002 (Passover bombing in Netanya, Israel), March 11, 2003 (Madrid bombing), July 7, 2005 (London bombing), and November 26-28 2008 (Mumbai attacks), the majority of “mainstream politicians” run out to make apologies on behalf of the terrorists. There is also denial of the problem of radical Islam by the “mainstream media,” which does not refer to radical Muslims by their true identity: radical Muslims or Islamic terrorists. Instead, they have been referred to as “South Asians”, “militants" etc. When this is combined with a politically correct mentality, which requires universal tolerancethat is, tolerance even of intolerant radical Islama deadly “cocktail” is created. The last time such a confluence of events occurred was during the lead-up to the rise of Nazis in Germany, culminating in the World War II. It is important to note that we must discuss the background of radical Islam, because its history, thus far, has been ignored. The root of radical Islam must be understood in order to prevent further genocide.

We, the Indians, would like to inform Americans and the world of the full scope of the problem of radical Islam that we endured. During and before the 1920s, there was a mass-murdering rampage undertaken by India's radical Muslims, under the guise of evicting the British from India. In truth, these murders occurred as part of the khilafat movement, in order to found a radical Islamic state, a pan-Islamic caliphate, in the “British Jewel” of India. Today’s radical Muslims are, kind of, a continuation of same radical Islamic movement, having the same goal as those of the 1920s: founding of an Islamic caliphate of the global scale. However, since the history of radical Islam is unknown, or forgotten, it is mistakenly believed that radical Islam is a new phenomenon, a direct result of “Western imperialism” or other external factors.

In the year 1926, there was a summit in Mecca that gave birth to two Radical Islamic movementsthe Muslim Brotherhood and Tablighi Jamaatto combat the “non-Islamic” world on the western and eastern boundaries of the Arabian peninsula.[1] The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al Husseini was a key participant in this summit. He was in fact a key architect of the Jewish Holocaust and of the radical Islamic terrorism in Palestine. In addition, the radical Deobandi Muslim cleric, Maulana Ilyas, traveled back to India and created the Tablighi Jamaat. As such, in the “Western front”, Hassan-al-Banna and his associate Amin al Husseini received funds from Deobandi radicals, as well as from the Nawab (governor) of Hyderabad, India. This ultimately led to the creation of the Muslim Brotherhood, which later adopted the Mawdudi vision of the 'Ummah', or the society that decide how to impose religious apartheid on global level.

The Mecca Summit of 1926 quickly resulted in a series of murders of many opponents of the Aryan Race theory in India. As an example, the murder of high profile spiritual Hindu guru Swami Shraddhanand is still well-known. Although the political body maintained that the serial killings of 1926 were done by scattered religious fanatics and lacked any broader political connections, the actions of these murderers points to a different reality. The period between 1926 and 1932 was perhaps the earliest and most dynamic phase during which radical Muslims realigned themselves into a threat of global proportions. An example of early hate education and the tie-in to genocide can be traced back to 1926, when a radical Muslim, known as Inayat Allah Khan al-Mashriqi, translated Hitler's “Mein Kampf” into Urdu. This hate-text was then widely sold in mosques, and the sale of Mein Kampf in the Urdu-speaking world rivaled that in pre-Nazi Germany of 1926.

In the year 1929, there was a massacre of Jewish men, women, and children in the city of Hebron, in the British Mandate of Palestine. This massacre caused the British establishment, out of fear, to evict the victims of the massacre, the Jews, from the historic city of Hebron. What is not well-known is that the Hebron massacre itself was financed through an early version of “Sharia finance”: money was sent in from around the world, especially from India, in order to finance the massacre. Responding to the Hebron massacre, in addition to transferring all Jews out of Hebron, the British also tightened the control of the transfer of money between radical Muslim groups. The money transfer system was completely blocked by 1933, creating what today is known as the financial crisis of the Jerusalem-based Supreme Muslim Council (19321935). In 1933, the radical Islamic lobby came up with the idea of creating a pseudo-religious money transfer system to fund their violent and extremist activities in name of Islam: this banking system is today recognized as the “Sharia banking.”

After the British choked out the money-flow to radical Islamic groups, 1936 marked a new beginning for the radical Islamic movements, as the funds to support their hate-campaign now came from Nazi Germany. Amazingly, the two groups formed after the 1926 Mecca Summit, the Muslim Brotherhood and Tablighi Jamaat, now came together under one umbrella to work with the Nazis. During World War II, ‘Berlin Radio’ broadcasted Amin al-Husseini's sermons, in which he asked Muslims in India and beyond to attack anyone helping the British war effort against the Nazis. Indeed, there were, thereafter, nationwide attacks against the Hindus, who had sided with the British to fight the Nazis. In response, the British decided to lock up India's entire Muslim and leftist lobby.

After World War II, the British freed all the radical Muslims, who had contributed to genocide alongside the Nazis. Despite the fact that Amin al Husseini was an architect of the Final Solution, he was never prosecuted, and in fact died in 1974 at a ripe old age, never having to answer for his crimes.

If this was not egregious enough, the British political lobby pushed for the partition of India, without recognizing the human tragedy this would cause. Even until today, there are political lobbies, including British backed Indian leftists, that refuse to acknowledge the Indian partition genocide, denying due respect to its victims. Such Denialism has become the prime source of a never-ending cycle of barbarity. We see denial of genocide even today regarding the 1915 genocide in Armenia, the ongoing genocide in Sudan, and the incitement to genocide, on a daily basis, against the Jews in the state-sponsored media of Islamic countries such as Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan. This global Denialism will not let our civilization properly mourn the victims of radical Islam or prevent its recurrence.

Ironically, what the "mainstream media" highlights concerning Islamic violence is just the backlash by the victims of radical Islam, not the actions of the instigators, the radical Muslims. The portrayal of the backlash by the victims as the source of the problem, the "mainstream media" is, in fact, fueling resentment amongst Muslims and helping their recruitment to radical Islamic groups for waging Jihadi warfare. The best example of this phenomenon is the Gujarat riots of 2002 (India). These riots were provoked by the Godhra train-burning incident, in which 58 Hindus were charred into coals. The media, callously disregarding the Ghodra train-burning, heaped tremendous attention upon the Hindu backlash, the so-called Gujarat riots, and its Muslim victims. The media also implicitly excused dozens of suicide bomb attacks by radical Muslims, which occurred soon afterward, by citing the legitimate Muslim resentment over the Gujarat riots. None of the "mainstream media" outlets ever stopped to query the psychological state of Hindus when the riots occurred. In fact, the Indian government had ignored for decades the plight of the Hindu victims of radical Islam, prior to the 2002 Gujarat riots. Then there was the Godhra train burning incident ahead of the riots, in which a mob of radical Muslims set fire on a train containing Hindu pilgrims, including women and infant children, burning them alive. This occurred at the same time as mosques were blaring on their loudspeakers messages to kill the "kuffar," i.e. the Hindus.

The vast majority of the "mainstream media" and politicians refused to acknowledge these facts. It is also true that Muslims suffered extensively during the 2002 Gujarat riots, which HRCARI will never excuse, or endorse. Nonetheless, the Godhra train-burning incident (the instigator of Gujarat riots 2002), the Mumbai train bombings and the London tube bombings are intimately connected: their motivation is radical Islam; the perpetrators are radical Muslims. Why the media, the politicians, refuse to make and highlight this obvious link between these horror acts of terrorism? The horrendous Godhra terror incident was the handiwork of the Tablighi Jamaat, the same group which worked as an intelligence agency for the Nazis, also worked as a proxy in recruiting the Jihadis for the London Tube bombings and the Glasgow airport attack. But hardly any media outlet will ever publish this fact. Instead, the "mainstream media" pretends that all cultures are equal, and we should "give respect" to the culture of radical Islam than confronting this hateful ideology.

When will we acknowledge that the paganic 'multicultural’ system is, politically, a failure? How long will we continue shying off from standing up for human dignity in the name of political correctness? When will we recognize that the society we created after World War II was secular, not multicultural? Modern democracies hold the sacredness of life as their core value, not any obsolete ancient scripture. In modern democracy, all human beings are equal.

Ironically, the Muslim world has rejected the secular notion of human rights after World War II; it never joined the universalistic effort to prevent future human tragedies. And let me be clear that I am counting in this, those Muslims around the world, who applaud the fanatics. At the same time, we are deeply thankful to the handful of Muslims, who have joined us today in this stand for human rights and dignity for all.

For whatever reason, be it oil-money spent to propagate extremist forms of Islam, or due to cultural reasons, the majority of Muslims have not spoken out against the radical Islamists' rampant violence and violation of human rights worldwide. This needs to change for success of our mission, and it is a hopeful sign that some Muslims have stood together with us today; they are starting to speak out against radical Islam. They need to take a clear stand against the radicals and intensify their unequivocal condemnation of violence and violation of human in Islamic countries. We are eager to join Muslims for calling in one voice for the equality of all before the law, and the enforcement of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights everywhere without exception.

We are here today to call for universal human rights and dignity. We hope that this global campaign will continue to be strengthened until uniform human rights and dignity is ensured to all regardless of faith, color, caste, or race.

Before closing, we want to pay our respect to all the innocent victims of all types of fascism. This is a moment we provide recognition of this, but we will continue our fight to prevent future occurrence of genocide, a mission in which the United Nations has failed miserably.


[1] Al-Karmil, May 30 1926, issue no. 1186.


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Name: Duard Hamm
Subject: Misidentification of enemy
Date: Thursday May 07, 2009
Time: 11:28:48 -0400

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I enjoyed the article very much, but I believe that the use of the terms "radical" and "extremist" is incorrect. People such as Osama bin Laden should be labeled as "fundamintalist" because they do not want change that is new and innovative. What they want is a return to "true" Islam. The people that the world calls radical or extremist are fighting to return Islam, which they believe has been corrupted by Western ideas, to the basic tenets of the original religion taught by Muhammad. They believe that if they can do this Islam will regain its past glory of the days of the caliphate. I would appreciate it if you would in the future, properly identify the enemy the free world is fighting.


Name: Ian Jones
Subject: Getting rid of Talibans
Date: Thursday May 07, 2009
Time: 11:30:37 -0400

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So it is oK to bomb the Talibans mosques and kill their imams on a large scale. Kill them all inorder to commit genocide. Therer nothing called radical islam. The islam practiced by Muhammad gives the OK to fight back if you are oppressed. Then again, we people have forgotten so quicly, that while Children are dying in Palestine, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, no one makes a move. There homes are demolished, but no one makes a move. There holy places are desecrated, but no one makes a move. If this kind of violence escalates, you bring seeds and water for terrorism. You kill someone's brother or mother, and you will just get more crazy people. When you deny justice to people, which you have been doing for several decades in Palestine and now in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Sudan, Somalia and in the Philippines and Thailand, and when these innocent children and adults are intelligent, sensitive, they are going to find something to do. They might take shelter in fatalism, and some will come to despise us for not highlighting these wrongs. Millions of Palestinian refugees have been created because of the 1948 and 1967 wars in Palestine. Yet Muslim states have not accepted many into their countries, fearing that it will legitimate Israel’s Occupation; the refugees have been trapped in camps for decades. "...throughout the Middle East [many] cherish photos, house keys, and deeds to homes that no longer exist or which have housed Israelis now for generations. It was the West who created the modern Middle East, from its rotten regimes down to its ridiculous borders, and it did so with contemptuous disregard for the wishes of the local people. It is indeed a problem that most Arab governments are corrupt autocracies that breed hatred and despair in their own people, which then fuels terrorism against the West, but it was the West that created the problem -- and invading Iran won't solve it. If the West really wants to foster Arab democracy, it might try making all that aid to Egypt conditional on prompt democratic reforms. Nevertheless, I wouldn't hold my breath. There is a fundamental rule that firefighters use: it is always easier to quench a fire if the source of fuel is first turned off. The fuel is the Expansion of Israel.


Name: Jay
Subject: To Ian Jones
Date: Thursday May 07, 2009
Time: 11:40:52 -0400

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Let us worry about what the west created recently. When are muslims going to pay for the misdeeds committed to the Hindus during their conquest of Bharat? The Hindus will one day reclaim their historical lands which will extend all the way from Iran to Tibet to Srilanka to Indonesia.


Name: Archpagan
Subject: To Jonab Ian Jones
Date: Thursday May 07, 2009
Time: 12:13:43 -0400

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Muslim countries occupy a land mass 1000 times that of Israel. So, be generous to Israel. After all Jews are your guru. They ought to be allowed a foothold in their ancestral land. In order to democratize the Muslim world and solve the problems of despondency and terrorism prevailing therein,We need to take a leaf out of the policy book of the erstwhile USSR, which converted all mosques into warehouses and madrasas into science schools. If such things could happen only a few decades back why can't it happen now?


Name: archpagan
Subject: israel and democracy..
Date: Thursday May 07, 2009
Time: 20:32:22 -0400

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Israel...in order to enjoy equal rights with israelis.. my dear friend..you must be a jew... try to emigrate to israel as a non jew ... Also remember that jews,before creation of Israel lived in arab countries,and more often that not held positions in government functions (chief of police in lebanon was a jew...I can mention many more..there never was animosity against jews... Only after creation of israel,is when situation changed...if you treat arabs as 2nd class citizens in Israel..expect the same in return. As much as I dislike islam,to put it very mildly,one must see both sides of the equation many non-jewish palestinians,were uprooted and driven into tents ,to accomodate,russian,polish etc jews...was that fair ? Whether one is a jew a muslim ,christian or atheist should have been treated equally. many non jewish entities, churches(their lands etc ) were confiscated,on very superfluous excuses,and technicalities,to make it look "civilized"and NEW laws..all this to accomodate..influx of foreigners.. one must see both sides of a coin..


Name: zenner
Subject: islam/judaism
Date: Thursday May 07, 2009
Time: 20:44:10 -0400

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both relgions..are seperatists.. judaism .."we are the chosen people..."the rest is chopped liver.. Islam "if your not a muslim..you are an infidel..and must be annihiliated".. One big difference,judasim ,although very "racist"religiously speaking,has never condoned killing of non jews,which is a plus, but the disease inherent in those two religions is the same. both gave rise to "anti-semitism" and "anti-islamism". as a non christian,it is the stupid followers of christianity,that started this business "of non-christians"..but the core teachings of christ,does not advocate exclusion.Hence as a non believer I am more comfortable in a christian setting than either "jewish" or "muslim".the latter being bluntly more vicious and stupid.


Name: vbv
Subject:
Date: Friday May 08, 2009
Time: 01:15:04 -0400

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Radical islam would not have been such a monstrous problem if the U.S.A. had not pumped billions of dollars into Pakistan and created the various terroris groups in the name of fighting communism. Communism would have died a natural death anyway . But the spectre of islamic terrorism was created by the CIA of USA and the ISI of Pakistan alongwith the Saudis pumping in billions of rials building institutions (madarsas) and mosques to spawn this monstrous and gigantic frankenstien.The USA supported the brutal monarchy of Iran and the result was it got replaced with an equally brutal and repressive theocracy. The USA talks of spreading democracy and human rights across the world but support Saudi Arabia and China,the worst repressive and oppressive regimes .Why? The Saudi has oil and the USA oil companies are making a lot of moolah. China has lot of investments by USA multinational companies and is dependent on Chinese labour for their profits. They attacked Iraq(but could not conquer and subjugate) for the enormous oil reserves there, in the name of foisting democracy there and removing a tyrant.All a big farce:it is just an attempt to rob the people of Iraq their natural resources. Why can't the USA foist democracy in Saudi Arabia, or Somalia ,for instance. Saudi Arabia is already providing a lot of profits for the American oil companies and defence industry. Somalia is a poor country which can provide no pecuniary interest to the american companies.Islamic terrorism would not have grown to such monstrous proportions but for the american greed to loot and exploit. Today the USA wants to give billions of dollars again to Pakistan in the name of containing or eliminating islamic terrorism. We know that Pakistan is playing a double game to get easy money for the powers that be ,who will getm richer while the common pakistanis' lot will not improve ,and the Pakistani army will keep spawning more fanatical islamist terrorist groups ( directing most of them against India) while they laugh all their way to their banks. Ofcourse they will direct a few attacks on Western countries now and then to keep the heat on and also let the american taxpayers money flow in so that they (the army topbrass ,politicians and bureaucrats)can get richer and fatter. So the rise of islamic terrorism and fueling of the dreams of these mad fanatics to impose their rotten ,barbaric 'sharia' all stems from the flawed american and western foreign policies.


Name: balam to v.b.v
Subject:
Date: Friday May 08, 2009
Time: 08:27:51 -0400

Comment

I could not agree with you more.The Americans can never understand the Muslim mind,which is absolutely crooked to say the least.Pakistan is skimming the Saudis for Madrassas,which produce terrorists and the stupid Americans, to kill these terrorists supposedly.The money is normally used against India and producing more nukes,which one day will be used against the West.It also helps the Pak.leadership to line their pockets along with the corrupt army.To civilise Pakistan.Islam will have to be banned,all the mosques closed down for good.No five times a day facing towards Mecca and wasting so many working hours.Allowing freedom of speech.thought and expression.Removing of blasphemy laws in Pakistan because Islam is a failed ideology like the failed state of Pakistan,which are artificially propped up with blasphemy laws and American aid.If you PISS in a desert,it will not turn that into an oaisis.It is the waste of PISS.


Name: kafir/infidel ( & Ex.communist )
Subject: USA ,it's politicians,policy makers do not understand Moslem evil psyche
Date: Saturday May 09, 2009
Time: 00:33:13 -0400

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Moslem psyche is uniquely evil,negative,dark and killing type . This type of evil,wicked,poisonous human psyche is promoted,nurtured,brain washed, indoctrinated, injected by ISLAM/QQURRAN and it's cruel theology. It is a fact ,taken for granted in western countries and in WASHINGTON D C , CAPITOL HILL that US politicians can manage, utilize PAKISATAN and it's crooked politicians,evil moslems ,to their advantage . But in the process - actually what is happening is that PAKISATAN, it's cunning evil politicians,Evil moslems are using,exploiting,manipulating USA and other western countries in the service of the most uncivilized, cruel, bigoted, theocratic, totalitarian ,intolerant, ISLAMIC fascist rule of ISLAMIC republic of PAKISATAN !!!! All the western governments and in particular USA and U K are being used by the ISLAMISTS in PAKISATAN. The PAKI politicians are cunningly playing ISLAMIC TAQIYYA. PAKISATAN was formed illegally,immorally,unethically by the land stolen from INDIA-HINDUS, by force,intimidation,killings,murders, hatred for Hindus and nonmoslems. MOslems created an atmosphere of make believe and terror in INDIA before partition. U K and U S A connived with PAKISATAN to weaken HINDUS !!! This was the true story. Now, PAKIS are teaching a good lesson to U SA and U K. PAKIS will not give up their extreme evil,cruel,murderous,poisonous theology of ISLAM as PAKISATAN was based on that.


Name: Major
Subject:
Date: Saturday May 09, 2009
Time: 06:14:10 -0400

Comment

Moderate Islam is an oxymoron. This implies Islam whether it be radical, militant or fundamental is inmaterial. Study the scripture of Islam not whether its followers obey or disobey its text. In this way we can compare different faiths. If this done Islam faills miserably as a faith not to mention a peaceful religion.


Name: duh_swami
Subject: Read Quran and ahadith..
Date: Saturday May 09, 2009
Time: 18:28:58 -0400

Comment

Archpagan sez: there never was animosity against jews... (6) Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the jews, and the stone behind which a jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a jew hiding behind me, so kill him." (Book #52, Hadith #177) Nope, no animosity, non at all...


Name: duh_swami
Subject: why there are no moderate Muslims
Date: Sunday May 10, 2009
Time: 01:27:54 -0400

Comment

Moderate Muslims, and reformers do not exist... Allah wrote a book for all Muslims for all time. The Quran...In his book he is very clear about how he wants his Muslims to conduct themselves, who his enemies are, and what he expects his Muslims to do about them. He appointed Mohammad, the perfect man and role model to provide examples of this conduct...What 'moderate, or reform minded Muslim is going to stand up, look Allah in the eye, and say, 'I don't like some of the things you wrote in your book, so I am going to change them or ignore them'...This foolish Muslim better hope Allah is in a good mood...Allah is looking for fools to work in the furnace room...Muslims know this which is why they will only 'talk' about moderation and reform, but don't dare 'practice' it...There are no 'moderate' Mohammadans, every one is 'obligated' to jihad...How moderate is that?


Name: balam
Subject: Allah and Apostle
Date: Sunday May 10, 2009
Time: 08:00:54 -0400

Comment

Allahs Apostle is nothing but an embodiment of falsehood and hoax.Have you ever heard the stones speaking?.It must have been the auditory hallucinations,he suffered from,which prompted him to make such a foolish statement for his foolish followers.The jews wont have to hide behind the stones.They, instead will be in the air,discharging hell-fire missiles on the Muslims,who would be hiding behind the stones and Allah and his fake apostle will not be able to help them.They will be needing shelter themselves from the wrath of Living GOD.


Name: HT
Subject: British Mandate of Palestine (modern day Jordan and Israel)
Date: Sunday May 10, 2009
Time: 10:52:16 -0400

Comment

Two states were already created out of what was the British Mandate of Palestine: Jordan and Israel. I was more sympathetic to Palestinians until I learned that Jordan was a part of Palestine, and 77% of Palestine went to create Jordan. I don't think it is fair to create another two states out of what was left for Israel. http://www.peacefaq.com/jordan.html http://www.peacefaq.com/palestine.html http://www.peacefaq.com/palestinians.html The truth is Muslims do not want a non-Islamic state in the Middle East period. It is not the expansion but the fact that a non-Islamic state - any non-Islamic state does matter Jewish or other - exists at all right smack dab in the Middle East. Next, Muslims do not want a non-Islamic state to exist anywhere in the world. This conflict did not start with Israel or the West, nor will its perpetuation be due to them or any Infidel state beyond them, the Dar al Harb, still existing.


Name: HT
Subject: British Mandate of Palestine (modern day Jordan and Israel)
Date: Sunday May 10, 2009
Time: 10:54:18 -0400

Comment

I meant to write "any non-Islamic state does NOT matter Jewish or other"


Name: HT
Subject: Holocaust and Genocide
Date: Sunday May 10, 2009
Time: 11:37:41 -0400

Comment

Speaking of holocaust and genocide...


Name: Simple Simon
Subject: History shows
Date: Sunday May 10, 2009
Time: 14:26:41 -0400

Comment

Call me simple minded, but when I have studied Jewish history I've seen a people whom wherever they are contribute in thee sciences, business, arts, technology, mathematics, etc. They get educated, crime among them is low, and Jews give to a society wherever they are; they make it better. And we can see in their recent history what they have made out of barren land so quickly and surrounded by hostility and attacks. Likewise, I have studied Islamic history. Islam takes from societies it conquers through jihad and war. They subjigate the natives to dhimmitude and have historically lived lavishly off the backs, the cutlure, and jizya taxes of nonMuslims in lands they have taken through violence. Yes, there have been the few Muslim contributions thropughout history, but only a drop in an ocean of Jewish contributions, though there are several hundreds of millions fewer Jews. I agree with Archpagen: Give the Jews their small slice of their ancestrial land and let them flourish. And frankly, I think they'll be doing the world a favor if the blow the crap out of Iran and keep the Palestinians out of what IS Israel.


Name: balam
Subject: Jews and Muslims
Date: Sunday May 10, 2009
Time: 17:29:51 -0400

Comment

Where ever the Jews go,they turn the desert into oasis.On the contrary, where ever the Muslims/Arabs go they turn the oasis into desert to feed their animals. Now comming to the Jewish people called pigs by Mohammad-These pigs have much higher morals than the prophet of Islam ,mohammad.The pigs do not have sex with young piglets. Mohammad had sex with Ayesha when she was only 9 and the Horny prophet was 53.The Jewish people have much higher morals than the Mohammadans who always attack others to hide the truth about their immoral prophet and their own immorality. Mustafa Kemal of Turkey called Islam as the absurd theology of IMMORAL BEDUINE i.e Mohammad.


 
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