The Final Battle Against Slavery
24 Jul, 2008
Abe Lincoln was opposed to the extension of slavery into the territories. So was William H. Seward with his talk of a ‘higher law’ than the US Constitution. Salmon P. Chase was opposed to the extension of slavery. So was
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John Brown. “I, John Brown, am quite certain that the crimes of this guilty land can never be purged away but with blood,” he said on his way to the gallows. Thomas Jefferson said, “Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever.” George H. Thomas was a Virginian who remained loyal to the Union during the American Civil War. Thomas commanded the Army of the Cumberland during the Battle of Nashville. The story is told that one day after a particularly nasty set-to an aide asked him if he wanted the dead buried by states. “No, no, mix ‘em up,” said the Rock of Chickamagua. “I have had enough of this States Rights business.”
It was a good fight—the right fight—the only fight. Lincoln, Seward, Chase: John Brown and George H. Thomas—there were others, hundreds, thousands more—and it put an end to slavery in the United States forever, they thought. But that was almost 150 years ago. Times change. It is a new age, a new dispensation is upon us and the threat of slavery being extended into America—into what has become the dar al-Harb is real. It is not the old slavery of the antebellum South, the slavery of Rhett and Scarlett, of mint juleps, of plantations aglow with fine living, of Uncle Tom’s cabin and grinning darkies with slave auctions and the underground railroad in the background; this new servitude has little to do with race and much to do with sex and is slowly being extended into the modern world. It is the slavery of Islam—sexist, chauvinist, primordial, invading the free world. There have been warnings… Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Wafa Sultan, Theo van Gogh, canaries in Islam’s mineshaft… beware of the Mullahs, beware of the Imams, beware of Islam… Slavery is not freedom.
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Will John McCain and Barack Obama have the gumption to stand up to the slave masters in Riyadh and Teheran and Cairo? Will the Neville Chamberlains in the State Department and the doughfaces at Columbia and Berkeley and elsewhere have the guts to put freedom above their petty Marxist-Leninist conceits? Will NOW and the grand dames at Code Pink ever realize that Archie Bunker was never a sexist, chauvinist pig and that Mohammad was and still is? It is easy for members of SWINE (Students Woefully Ignorant of Nearly Everything) to call George W. Bush a Nazi, impossible for them to refer to Abdullah or Ahmadinejad or Khameini or bin Laden as sexist pigs—but that is what they are and where their power lies.
This is the 'Final Battle'. Lose this one and mankind—make that humankind—goes back to the 7th Century.
Abigail Adams was born free, so was Martha Washington. Harriet Tubman wasn’t but was freed. Freedom is choice; freedom is candor. There is none in Islam. Betty Boop had more rights in her garter than the deluded Hanadi Jaradat had in her suicide bomber’s belt. Muslim women are not free. Unfortunately, the world does not care, the broad masses wrapped in a blissful ignorance, concerned with their own lives, wouldn’t respond effectively if they knew. The field has been left to the sexist chauvinist pigs and a few protesters; the rest are doughfaces, Abrahamists or those who belong to the MSNBC, “I don’t want to know the truth society.”
The truth? Yes, the truth. What truth? This truth.
Tabari IX:113 “Allah permits you to shut them in separate rooms and to beat them, but not severely. If they abstain, they have the right to food and clothing. Treat women well for they are like domestic animals and they possess nothing themselves. Allah has made the enjoyment of their bodies lawful in His Qur’an.”
Tabari I:280 “Allah said, ‘It is my obligation to make Eve bleed once every month as she made this tree bleed. I must also make Eve stupid, although I created her intelligent.’ Because Allah afflicted Eve, all of the women of this world menstruate and are stupid.”
Bukhari V1B22N28 “The Prophet said: ‘I was shown the Hell Fire and the majority of its dwellers were women who are disbelievers or ungrateful.’ When asked what they were ungrateful for, the Prophet answered, ‘All the favors done for them by their husbands.’”
Ishaq:185 “Tell the men with you who have wives: never trust a woman.”
Female circumcision… honor killings… arranged marriages… rape… ”Allah is oft-forgiving" (Qur’an 24:34).
Does one need more proof? Yet there are those who say Islam is in the midst of a reformation. It will take time. The Muslim Martin Luther is just around the corner—give them another 1,400 years. John Esposito, Muslim apologist extraordinaire at Georgetown University, says the challenge will be to transfer the reformulations of the elite few to the institutions and peoples of Islam. It will be a revolution from above—no grubby tradesmen meeting in the Green Dragon Tavern to pressure John and Samuel Adams, no party of sweating husbandmen complaining to George Washington of taxes and Anglican injustice. It will be a revolution of the best minds Islam has to offer, those of the highest principles who are always right and know what is best for the people.
And during this everlasting interregnum the West must do all it can to aid the reformers. They must cease with the pejoratives, the invectives. It is time to ban such phrases as Islamic Jihad and Muslim terrorists. Terrorists are terrorists, not Islamic or Muslim. The UN has made a good start—and a spineless one—in this direction. And never, ever refer to Muslim men as sexist, chauvinist, homophobic, not that anybody has or ever will, political correctness will see to that. In any event, the sexist, chauvinist pig terminology is applied exclusively to white Western heterosexuals males who may have offended someone like Rosie O’Donnell or the girls at Air-America. Nonetheless, sexist chauvinist behavior appears to be on the rise in Islam.
A recent survey of more than 2,000 Egyptian men and women and 109 foreign women resident in Egypt was more than revealing, it was a cause for alarm. Sixty-two percent of the male respondents said they had harassed women (some admitted they did it frequently); 83 percent of the female respondents said they had been harassed. Half of the men surveyed said the women brought it on themselves. Apologists like Esposito would say the ‘surge’ was due to economic hardship and lack of religious values. “Allah has made the enjoyment of their bodies lawful in His Qur’an.” Apparently it was the one religious value the 62 percent remembered from ‘Bible’ school.
A majority of the female respondents said they had been dressed conservatively and had done nothing to bring on the harassment. But 1,400 years of brainwashing has had its effect. Some of the women said that if they had been wearing revealing clothes and they had been harassed they would have deserved it. Many women reported being harassed on a daily basis.
The master-slave relationship that exists between men and women in Islam is something that should not be introduced into America. Sure, sure, it is already here and the politically correct, culturally neutered media long ago determined not to talk about it, it would be an embarrassment to America’s latest protected species.
It is too late for Aqsa Parvez but there are others in need of help now, not tomorrow, not 1,400 years from now when Esposito’s changes go into effect. It is time for a new underground railroad, some secret route whereby Muslim women like Fauzia Mohammad of Henrietta, New York, can slip away from their ‘plantations’ to a safe haven like San Francisco where people like Mayor Gavin Newsom can protect them—people bold enough to stand up to the US Government. Certainly, if the Californios can succor militant gays and illegal aliens they should be able to protect those that really need protection. California prides itself on being on the cutting edge of civilization. Someone has to make a start. If not California, who else? Damn CAIR and the Muslim Student Associations, damn the slave masters and the sexist chauvinist pigs, damn the suicide bombers, full speed ahead!
This is the last battle for freedom.
Meeting tonight at the Green Dragon Tavern.
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Denis Schulz was prospective convert to Islam (read his testimony: How I Almost Became a Muslim?) before changing his mind after the 9/11. He actively writes on the threats of Islam and terrorism.
Name: ha ha ha .....
Date: Thursday July 24, 2008
Time: 18:28:04 -0700
Comment
All nations have had its dark ages. Many has become histories. For instance, slavery in the USA, now only a history of about 150-200 years ago. But in most moslem countries, slavery still exists. It means that they haven't yet passed their dark ages. Most of them still in the 7th century. Why? Because they believe in the wrong teaching of Mohammad the false prophet.
Name: Adil Huq
Date: Thursday July 24, 2008
Time: 21:42:32 -0700
Comment
Like many posters on this blog, this one also does not not know a shit about Islam. Its too complex and too big for the tiny brain you got. Let me try explaining it with little dumb example that you can digest: “If you buy a Mercedes, Volvo or Lexus whatever car you believe to be best and then put a poor driver in the driver seat, and if he smashes your new Lexus in the wall, who’s fault is it? Driver’s or Lexus?” Similarly – All the loosers who try to judge Islam by picking up the worse Muslims they can dig out in the world and post those news here to prove that Islam is wrong, really need to get their brains fixed. I can also pick 1000s of stories that you hear on CNN and twist them around as “Christian” or “Jewish” issues but that would be foolish of me. Let me also talk a bit about the women issue that you guys have picked upon in particular to play on since the Taliban gave you a reason. You obviously deliberately happen to ignore the majority of Muslims who love their wives and daughters as anyone else and they have complete freedom to work and chose their lifestyle, only with more dignity and respect that Islam gives them. What you don’t find in Islam is that its too damn boring for you. How boring would it be if average girl won’t lose virginity at the age of 16, there were no porn stars, no escort girls, no strip tease bars and then how an average Person would have 18 girlfriends in lifetime without providing them the social security and respect of the bond of marriage? What a respect for women really you are trying to compare with!!!
Name: antimod
Date: Thursday July 24, 2008
Time: 22:33:28 -0700
Comment
Hey Adil Haq, go and argue with Ali Sina. Don't say he knows less about Islam. Your religion has been a curse, a religion which asks for heads if one is a nonmuslim. It is not what the book says is important, it is the action of its followers and your book provides sanctions for your actions. You hardly know what God is nor do you ever endeavor to know him. Your book is a work of a plagiarist. You fools believe it is Allah's dictates. Your survival is at stake. Your billion strength will simply wither away like leaves of autumn only to decay later. Stop whining and wait for your time, it is coming soon.
Name: Abdul Hug
Date: Thursday July 24, 2008
Time: 23:43:46 -0700
Comment
One short answer for you: "And when on the day of resurrection it will be said to them. taste this (fire) that you used to deny" <Al Quran>. My answer to all of you and to you is, make as much fun as you can, go full throttle, but wait until your die. With all of your logics, defer and prevent yourself from dying one day - if you can!!!! That’s the powerlessness you have in front of your very creator you deny. Time will tell so keep the fingers crossed.
Name: MA Khan ... to Spammers!!
Date: Thursday July 24, 2008
Time: 23:55:54 -0700
Comment
We have decided to be uncompromising on cut-n-paste, repeat, and Akhtar-challenge postings. We will delete any such spams.
Name: adil huk u prick taliban and saudi is the ebst islam and if u disagree u r dead u pig jew follower pig muslim
Date: Friday July 25, 2008
Time: 00:16:07 -0700
Comment
there is a difference between a car and a religion.anyway that is not the issue.PLS NOTE HOW TALIBAN/SAUDI ARABIA TREAT WOMEN AND THEY R THE EBST OF WAHABI [ TRUE ] ISLAM. SO PLS SEE FOR YR SELF HOW JUDEO CHRISTIANITY ISLAM TRERATS WOMEN...EVEN BIBLE SAYS WOMEN R INFERIOR AS IT COPIES JUDAISM AND JUDEO-CHRISTIANITY/ISLAM GIVES INFERIOS STATUS TO WOMEN...IF WOMEN R EQUAL,WHY NO WOMAN PROPHET ? WHY MEN GET 72 BIG BREASTED HOUIRES AND WOMEN GET 1 GUY IN JANNAT ? FAKE RELIGION JUDEO-CHRISTIANITY/ISLAM IS CAUSING TOO MUCH SUFFERING TO WOMAN,AND IT SHUD BE DESTROYED AND HUMANITY RESCUED FROM THE FALSEHOOD OF FAKE AND NAZI IDEOLOGY JUDEO-CHRISTIANITY/ISLAM = NAZISM.
Name: khansaab,pls let the jew pig akther write we kafirs with yr help will beat him
Date: Friday July 25, 2008
Time: 00:20:34 -0700
Comment
khansaab,pls let the jew pig akther write we kafirs with yr help will beat himbcoz even 10 standard physics book contains more truth than jew-christian inspired book koran.
Name: verse better than koran
Date: Friday July 25, 2008
Time: 00:22:41 -0700
Comment
i suggest to muslims they read any good literary work of non muslims like medhdoot, or even iilyad,or even from non muslims like umar khayyam, nasir, rashid, ghulam,etc...these verses r more poetic and more superior to harsh and terro manual koran.
Name: abdul haq kafir idolators will not go to hell
Date: Friday July 25, 2008
Time: 00:25:31 -0700
Comment
abdul haq,read koran and hadith it says imaginary deity allah will raise people from the grace,and pusnish them. but what abt the people who r cremated ike kafir hindu idolators ? the pig muhamed or his imaginary allah never knew anything abt hindus [ he knew only abt arab idolators who buried their dead ],that kafir indians cremate their dead....so...it means...all kafir idolators who r not buried will be escaping any punishmed from imaginary allah,who does not exist just like yr imaginary day or reconing or jannat etc...or even yr imaginary houries,,,,,,,,,,
Name: athesist1
Date: Friday July 25, 2008
Time: 03:08:10 -0700
Comment
a meglomaniac in the arabian desert who himself at first doubted if he received any messages suddenly at the age of 30 claims to be receiving telepathic communication from gabriel and the stuff he dictated to his band of thugs claiminig to be the word of god when every little bit of his delusionary book contains rehashed fables and tales from jewish,persian christian and sabean sources which enabled him to enslave his moronical followers if there is any mirracles in that shit book why no mention of dinosaurs why no mention of the new world why no mention of the planetary system why nomention of cloning in this age where man has almost become god he is on the verge of creating human of his own desire chracters,height,health etc why need of any inferior god
Name: when imaginary deity allah flooed the earth to kill humans and animals,how he got animals from america ?
Date: Friday July 25, 2008
Time: 03:59:06 -0700
Comment
as per pig jew book copy pig islamic pig koran....when imaginary allah flooded the earth to kill humans and animals [ he cud hv just used his power to make humans better if he was really powerful,but he did/cud not as he is imaginary ] how noah/allah got animals from austrilia,america,etc palces which were not discovered ? how big was the boat ? what was the exact date of flood ? pig muslims ask what is birth date of kafir god ram....so we truth seekers ask...when allah raped mary and made her pregnant,when the fake prophet isa-jesus was born ? when the noah flood happened ? can any pig jew follower pig muslim reply with date and scientific evidence ? no,they cant bcoz such a world level flood never happened,and bigger important thing...allah is imaginary being of jews-christians/muslims and he does not exist..
Name: Muslims are Slaves ...
Date: Friday July 25, 2008
Time: 07:26:59 -0700
Comment
... of Allah by islamic definition! This includes to pray and to follow without thinking, asking or questioning. In the eyes of Allah, humans are made from clot! Yes, Islam teaches the wrong information that humans are made from clot! Why this wrong information!? Because Islam needs to humiliate all humans before enslaving them. Down on your knees - thats the quranic message. You are made from clot, thus you have nor rights!
Name: Banning Akhter's long rants and challenges
Date: Friday July 25, 2008
Time: 08:57:53 -0700
Comment
Mr Khan by banning Akhter from pasting long rants praising islam and quran peppered with his challenges to produce a sura like quran you have taken away his civil rights of freedom to promote islam. FFI had treated poor Rehan aka Akhter aka Iluvu aka abeliever aka muslim22 the same unfair way.
Name: Adil Huq is brain washed by imamas.Think rationally nothing is beyond human thinking.
Date: Friday July 25, 2008
Time: 09:30:06 -0700
Comment
Adil Huq is brain washed by imamas.Think rationally nothing is beyond human thinking.Unfortunately most muslims are fed like mental slaves.Only the courageous can think and get themselves frred
Name: Abdul Huq
Date: Friday July 25, 2008
Time: 11:13:18 -0700
Comment
To bunch of idiots on this blog who really need to go back to school, here is some learning for you: “there is a difference between a car and a religion. Anyway that is not the issue…..” I think you got the message but because of your arrogance, you continue to debate. I already mentioned how west is treating the women.
Name: Abdul Huq
Date: Friday July 25, 2008
Time: 11:13:46 -0700
Comment
“khansaab,pls let the jew pig akther write we kafirs with yr help will beat himbcoz even 10 standard physics book contains more truth than jew-christian inspired book koran.” And pleas mention what those are? I suggest you read the book “Quran and Science” and read the subjects that are mentioned in Quran that scices is only beginning to “discover” such as meeting of two oceans without mixing of water (specific gravity), mentioning of planetary and solar systems and orbits and laws of gravity at number of places in Quran, mentioning of rain, seeds and hopw plants grow, mentioning of complete description of human birth from fertilization to fetus to a baby at number of places etc etc. Go read! You need lots of reading.
Name: Wajahat Ikram
Date: Friday July 25, 2008
Time: 11:14:24 -0700
Comment
“i suggest to muslims they read any good literary work of non muslims….” You obviously HAVE NOT read Quran thoroughly. I bet you on this.
Name: Abdul Huq
Date: Friday July 25, 2008
Time: 11:14:49 -0700
Comment
“abdul haq, read koran and hadith it says imaginary deity allah will raise people from the grace, and pusnish them….” I’m really now enjoying the lack of knowledge all of you have about the subject of Islam and how much you need to learn about it. Let me put into an easy way for you. The ‘grave” you are talking about is not the grave you see, the burial place. Jews, Christians and Muslims all believe that there is a human soul and a body and that soul separates from the body at the time of death. The soul is placed into a grave of its own. It’s the soul that matters, the body goes away. So Allah will raise all the souls on the day of resurrection and you will be among those whether you believe it or not or you like it or not.
Name: Beowulf
Date: Friday July 25, 2008
Time: 12:15:46 -0700
Comment
Slavery is explicitly allowed in the koran. Moreover, Muhammad himself, kept slave, traded slaves, and enslaved women as concubines. Because it is contained in the koran and because Muhammad himself engaged in this loathsome activity, slavery (especially slavery of women) cannot be removed from islam. It is a stain which persists in islam despite any efforts to remove it. And this is because no matter how many times the slave mentality is suppressed in this religion it always appears again because it forms a part of the central islamic doctrine expounded by the koran. When a carpet is tarnished with a stain that cannot be removed it should be thrown out. The same is true of islam; it is stained with the vulger stain of slavery within its own doctrine and thus islam should be thrown out as every other worthless thing. The religious texts of any other religion exclude the possibility of practicing slavery. Only islam with that horrible book, the koran, allows slavery. The koran is a sloppy excuse for a religious text in any case. Any other religious text far surpasses it for clarity, coherence, morality, edification, and wisdom. Furthermore, other religious texts contain far fewer internal and external contradictions. Indeed, the koran is the very bottom and most loathsome rung of the religious text ladder.
Name: Re: Abdul Huq
Date: Friday July 25, 2008
Time: 13:36:07 -0700
Comment
I do insist that the quran did not reveal anything new to mankind, except many wrong things, also in terms of embryologie. Sperm does not transform into clot, as the quran asserts, and clot does not transform into humans. The quran is lying from the very first day, with surah 96 (The clot) which was the beginning of all lies. Humans do not derive from clot! Islam humiliates all human beings!!!
Name: Re: Abdul Huq
Date: Friday July 25, 2008
Time: 13:52:03 -0700
Comment
Women are better off in any other country compared to muslim societies. Nobody can deny that the quran discriminates women! They inherit less than half, they are not equal widnesses in court, they are second class citizens! They are even not allowed to pray together with men! They are forced to pray in a side-room of the mosque, they are tereated like animals!!!!
Name: Abdul Huq
Date: Friday July 25, 2008
Time: 14:35:36 -0700
Comment
“Slavery is explicitly allowed in the koran. Moreover, Muhammad himself, kept slave, traded slaves, and enslaved women as concubines…” SHOW ME – PROVE IT. Let me set you straight because you are soooooooo wrong on this subject. In fact Islam is the one who prohibited slavery. Have you heard about Bilal? If not lemme educate you. Bilal was a black slave who was tortured cruelly by his Jew master and freed by Abu-Bakr as Free Man. Well read the complete at Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilal_ibn_Ribah - The reason Islam is so popular among many African Americans IS because of this very concept that Islam is the only religion that does not believe in race, sects, wealth, status or master/slave. You wanna read about slavery? Read the white man’s history dude. Go to any mosque in the world and see that black and white stand with each other and respected and loved equally. If not, tune the TV in annual Hajj (Muslim pilgrimage) days and see hundreds of thousands of Muslims in Mecca wearing same white cloths that do not distinguish that the guy/lady next to you is a king or a poor? white-collar or blue-collar? Islam judges only one way – who is better in good deeds. These are words of last address of Muhammed (PBUH) and teachings of Quran. AGAIN – you guys need serious education about Islam – you are just generating a misguiding propaganda because of your personal reasons.
Name: Beowulf
Date: Friday July 25, 2008
Time: 20:14:01 -0700
Comment
From the koran: sura (33:50) - "O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those (slaves) whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee" Conclusion: Islam permits slavery and sex with slave women by virtue of ownership.
Name: Beowulf
Date: Friday July 25, 2008
Time: 20:42:21 -0700
Comment
From the koran: sura (23:1-6)-"Successful indeed are the believers who are humble in their prayers, and who shun vain conversation, and who are payers of the poor-due and who guard their modesty - save from their wives or the (slaves) that their right hands possess, for then they are not blameworthy." Conclusion: Islam permits slavery and sex with slave women by virtue of ownership.
Name: Beowulf
Date: Friday July 25, 2008
Time: 20:43:03 -0700
Comment
From the koran: sura (4:24)-"And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess." Conclusion: Islam permits slavery and sex with slave women by virtue of ownership.
Name: Beowulf
Date: Friday July 25, 2008
Time: 20:43:21 -0700
Comment
From the koran: sura (24:32)- “And marry such of you as are solitary and the pious of your slaves and maid-servants. If they be poor, Allah will enrich them of His bounty. Allah is of ample means, Aware.” Conclusion: Islam permits slavery and sex with slave women by virtue of ownership.
Name: Beowulf
Date: Friday July 25, 2008
Time: 20:43:45 -0700
Comment
From the Hadith of Bukhari (41:598)- “Narrated Jabir: A man manumitted a slave and he had no other property than that, so the Prophet cancelled the manumission (and sold the slave for him). No'aim bin Al-Nahham bought the slave from him.” Conclusion: Muhammad bought and sold slaves. He was therefore a slave trader who condoned slavery and participated in its practice.
Name: Beowulf
Date: Friday July 25, 2008
Time: 20:44:11 -0700
Comment
From the Hadith of Bukhari (34:432)-“Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: that while he was sitting with Allah's Apostle he said, "O Allah's Apostle! We get female captives as our share of booty, and we are interested in their prices, what is your opinion about coitus interrupt us?" The Prophet said, "Do you really do that? It is better for you not to do it. No soul that which Allah has destined to exist, but will surely come into existence.” Conclusion: Muhammad allowed his follows to force sex upon captured females who were considered part of the spoils of war. His only objection is that they should not practice coitus interruptus with them to avoid pregnancy. Note that he had no objection to his followers selling them since his followers were interested in their price and Muhammad said nothing condemning the sale of these poor women as slaves.
From the Hadith of Muslimi (15:4112)-“'Imran b. Husain reported that a person who had no other property emancipated six slaves of his at the time of his death. Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) called for them and divided them into three sections, cast lots amongst them, and set two free and kept four in slavery; and he (the Holy Prophet) spoke severely of him.” Conclusion: Muhammad failed to abide by his own words that freeing a slave is a good thing. Here he keeps four slaves for himself and sells the others for profit. Note that he also speaks disapprovingly of the man who freed the slaves in the first place! If Muhammad was really interested in freeing slaves he would have instead praised such a man.
From the Hadith of Bukhari (47:743)-“ Narrated Sahl: The Prophet sent for a woman from the emigrants and she had a slave who was a carpenter. The Prophet said to her "Order your slave to prepare the wood (pieces) for the pulpit." So, she ordered her slave who went and cut the wood from the tamarisk and prepared the pulpit, for the Prophet. When he finished the pulpit, the woman informed the Prophet that it had been finished. The Prophet asked her to send that pulpit to him, so they brought it. The Prophet lifted it and placed it at the place in which you see now." Conclusion: Muhammad had his pulpit produced by slave labor.
From the Hadith of Bukhari (59:637)-"The Prophet sent Ali to Khalid to bring the Khumus (of the booty) and I hated Ali, and Ali had taken a bath (after a sexual act with a slave-girl from the Khumus). I said to Khalid, 'Don't you see this (i.e. Ali)?' When we reached the Prophet I mentioned that to him. He said, 'O Buraida! Do you hate Ali?' I said, 'Yes.' He said, 'Do you hate him, for he deserves more than that from the Khumlus.” Conclusion: Muhammad approves of Ali satisfying his sexual desire with a woman who had been enslaved as spoils of war. Muhammad even declares that Ali deserves even better more than this!
Name: Abdul Huq
Date: Friday July 25, 2008
Time: 21:15:47 -0700
Comment
I still do not see where it says you can have slaves in normal situations and Muhammed (PBUH) did what you say he did? What you are quoting is a specific corner case – a war situation. and the situation you mention ONLY applies to those women who come to battlefield to directly fight (which used to be closer to none in those times and still almost none today for many countries). This is to strictly discourage the women to come to battlefield. There is Absolutely NO WAY that a Muslim can do that to the propel of a captured town or country women who do not come to fight. Prophet PBUH never went this path --------- In pagan Arab upon capture of PoWs captives not executed, were made to beg for their subsistence. During his life, Muhammad (PBUH) changed this custom and made it the responsibility of the Islamic government to provide food and clothing, on a reasonable basis, to captives, regardless of their religion. If the prisoners were in the custody of a person, then the responsibility was on the individual. Upon capture, the prisoners must be guarded and not ill-treated. Islamic law holds that the prisoners must be fed and clothed, either by the Islamic government or by the individual who has custody of the prisoner. This position is supported by the verse: (076.008 And they feed, for the love of Allah, the indigent, the orphan, and the captive) --- The prisoners must be fed in a dignified manner, and must not be forced to beg for their subsistence. Muhammad's early followers also considered it a principle to not separate prisoners from their relatives. After the fighting is over, prisoners are to be released, with some prospect of survival, or ransomed. The freeing or ransoming of prisoners by Muslims themselves is highly recommended as a charitable act. The Qur'an also urges kindness to captives and recommends, their liberation by purchase (As Abu Bakr did). The freeing of captives is recommended both for the expiation of sins and as an act of simple benevolence. There are other options they could convert to Islam and thus win their freedom; they could pay ransom and win their freedom; they could teach 10 Muslims to read and write and thus win their freedom…what will be easier than the last option? when PBUH treatment was this after the conquest of Mecca including his worse enemy Abu-Sufyan. “Oh people – Do not enter any homes, do not harm any women or children. Anyone who will enter the premises of Abu-Sufyan, I forgive him.” Remember those were the people who fought against Muhammad for years, tortured his fellows and forced him to migrate to Madina… ----------- These principles were also honored during the crusades as exemplified by Salahudin (Al Christians agree to that – watch the movie Kingdon of Heaven) and Al-kamal. For example, after al-Kamil defeated the Franks during crusades, Oliverus Scholasticus praised the Islamic laws of war, commenting on how al-Kamil supplied the defeated Frankish army with food.
Name: Beowulf
Date: Friday July 25, 2008
Time: 22:23:05 -0700
Comment
Slavery is never acceptable. Not even in a time of war. The reason for this is simple. God created all men and women equal before his sight. For one man to set himself above another and declare that he owns another man as his slave and claims the right to sell that man., or declares a woman to be his slave and claims the right to have sex with her by virtue of property rights is strictly an abomination! It is an abomination because setting oneself above another requires one to assume a level of superiority above another if for no other reason than one is captured and the other is the capturer. Yet, we are all insignificant before the magnificence of God. To claim superiority over others (and to force them to do your will by virtue of your property rights over them) is then an act of extreme arrogance since none of us are any better then a spec of dust in the eyes of God. Indeed a man who sets himself above another in this way is claiming more authority than God himself since not even God forces us to act in one way or another. Rather, he gives us the free agency to act for ourselves. Muhammad took upon himself this extreme arrogance by declaring himself the master of his slaves and diminishing their free agency; something that God does not do and never has done in the history of the world! Thus, Muhammad was an arrogant man indeed and arrogance by nature is contrary to what God wants of us. Further, Muhammad did not end slavery; he perpetuated it. When he died he still had slaves and those slaves were inherited by his kin. He may have said that it is good to free a slave but he held onto his own slaves until the very end. Further the koran exhorts muslims to follow the example of Muhammad. Consequently, slavery is permissible in shariah law because Muhammad practiced it even until his dying day! The muslim nations and empires have been practicing a brutal form of slavery for more than a thousand years before the Europeans started the practice. Unlike in Europe no abolition movement ever developed within islam (It had to be foisted upon them by international pressure. Witness the fact for example that Arabia did not outlaw the selling of slaves until the mid-20th century.). The reason for this is easy to understand. To declare that slavery is vile, hateful, evil, wrong, brutal, and sinful would be to say that Muhammad engaged in vile, hateful, evil, wrong, brutal, and sinful behavior because he owned slave, bought slaves, sold slaves, traded slaves, enslaved free men, enslaved free woman (often for the purpose of forcing them to become concubines), and practice slavery until the end of his days. Yet, how can a man be a prophet and be engaged in evil behavior? This sets up a contradiction: either one must condone all the acts of Muhammad as pious, declare that Muhammad was fallible, or declare that he could not have been a prophet. Naturally, muslim clerics and philosophers chose the first option resulting in slavery being declared permissible in islam throughout must of islamic history. Deeds are more important than words. It does not matter how many times he said it is better to release slaves when he did not forsake the practice of slavery himself. This at the very least makes Muhammad a hypocrite (ironicall a term he often used to describe his enemies); hardly a characteristic of a true prophet. From all of this I conclude that Muhammad could not have been a true prophet of God. It is simply impossible for a man who is directed by God to be engaged in such vile behavior such as slavery. It does not mean that I do not believe in God. Indeed I do. I simply now look elsewhere than islam to find the truth and I always pray for guidance from God in this and I trust in him. I know that he will guide me so long as I humble myself before him. I have faith in God and I will rely on him always. You should try this also. You should simply ask God if islam is true, but do so with a clear and humble mind unclouded by hate otherwise you may not get an answer.
Name: Momin Muslim
Date: Friday July 25, 2008
Time: 23:32:06 -0700
Comment
Beowulf, you are talking only about war situations. Allah's prophet can creat war-situations by waging wars against the kafirs, can capture their women and use them as sex-slaves or sell them. It looks quite noble and divine, isn't it? But it must not apply to America or Iraq; because kafirs are not allowed to exercise Allah's commands, neither can they be as noble as Muslims.
Name: MA Khan ---- Re: Banning Akhtar
Date: Friday July 25, 2008
Time: 23:37:40 -0700
Comment
Yes folks, I am deeply worried about robbing Akhtar's illegitimate freedom of expression in islam-watch forum. I worry that Akhtar has a very good case at his disposal to take me court. CAIR must be delighted to pour in the Saudi oil$$$ into Akhtar's case. ACLU must be feeling itchy for joining the CAIR wagon. But I am broke...
Name: Anne Dexter
Date: Saturday July 26, 2008
Time: 01:19:13 -0700
Comment
Funny, So many claim that Islam is evil and have pointed out that Islam promotes Terrorism, While they read the Quran to point out certain verses in the translations about like treatment of women, violence, despite Islam's relative simplicity, to believe in own superiority all these are not Islamic. My point is at the time when slavery were wide spread in Arabia, the prophet encourage to free slaves, Narrated Abu Dhar: (I asked the Prophet, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and to fight for His Cause." I then asked, "What is the best kind of manumission (of slaves)?" He replied, "The manumission of the most expensive slave and the most beloved by his master." I said, "If I cannot afford to do that?" He said, "Help the weak or do good for a person who cannot work for himself." I said, "If I cannot do that?" He said, "Refrain from harming others for this will be regarded as a charitable deed for your own good." ) There are so many verses in the Quran which a normal person cannot understand, but through gradual recitation and study through time, understanding of the Quran and the translation might gather knowledge to the reader. While not understanding how come certain people can make false claims??
Name: Re: Abdul Huq
Date: Saturday July 26, 2008
Time: 02:04:03 -0700
Comment
You should better try to read books not written by islamists and islamic science hypers. Does the quran mention that there is a sperm cell fusing with an ovum? BTW, all the other islamic science hype is good for the fun fair but not adequate for any serious discussion. Can´t you realize that all the assertion made by islamic science hypers have nothing to do with what is written in the quran??? And please, you should also consider all the things not mentioned in the quran! You cannot claim that there is a quranic miracle if there is only 5% or less truth in the quran, with the rest wrong or just not mentioned!?!?!? Where is the sperCELL! Where is the ovum??? Where is the fusion of both!?!?!? The quran never renders more than any contemporary illiterate could know too.
Name:
Date: Saturday July 26, 2008
Time: 07:52:25 -0700
Comment
Don't you understand that these M.F.(s) are not here to debate Islam. They know Quran is truth. They are here to tease Muslims. These scum filled shit-holes have different agenda. They have no sense and No right to say the things that they say about someone's faith. It is like saying that their mothers were whores under the disguise of so called discussion. So I think they don't understand the lanugage you are speaking. Let's track the IP addresses and who-is registry of these M.Fs and sue their asses in a class-action law suit.
Name: Ibrahim Walker
Date: Saturday July 26, 2008
Time: 07:58:00 -0700
Comment
Obviously the moderator is not parsing and policing the postings and is letting people say extremly indescent things about the prophet of Islam and Muslims. This can also be reported to FBI hate-crime branch.
Name: Abdul Huq
Date: Saturday July 26, 2008
Time: 08:04:43 -0700
Comment
"You should better try to read books not written by islamists and islamic science hypers. Does the Quran mention that there is a sperm cell fusing with an ovum?...." ------ Quran is not your medical school reproductive system text book. It brings up the things it likes to use as examples in appropriate context. So is the Bible and others. You guys are really this dumb???
Name: Wajahat Ikram
Date: Saturday July 26, 2008
Time: 08:15:16 -0700
Comment
Abdul --- Since there is no response to the slavery videos you posted. You are done with this thread. Its a slap on the face. Now they will continue to change topics to divert attention. Now everyone understands that there are worse and cruel things happening outside Islam - in real-time.
Name: Re: Abdul Huq
Date: Saturday July 26, 2008
Time: 09:17:47 -0700
Comment
If there is an animal that looks like a duck, that walks like a duck and makes noise like a duck than everybody must agree that it is a duck. But now let´s have a look to the quran. The quran has a language like an illiterate, a style like an illiterate, knowledge like an illiterate, making mistakes like an illiterate - thus we can conclude that it was not written down by an allmighty and allknowing god. There are hundreds of mistakes in the quran concerning science, mathematics, history, logic, internal consistence, language and grammar. There are many parts nobody can understand because there is no meaning visible. Why should god write such a "wretched bokk" (Schopenhauer)?
Name: to abdul haq
Date: Sunday July 27, 2008
Time: 00:22:35 -0700
Comment
We all believe in God, but not your pagan moon god allah who was being worshipped in the kaaba even before muhameds time. You are worshipper of a false god and a follower of a false prophet.
Name: Re: Abdul Huq - slam strongly promotes thinking
Date: Sunday July 27, 2008
Time: 00:37:49 -0700
Comment
Why then are young students at the madrassas forced to memorize the quran in a languange they don´t even understand!? This is brainwashing - nothing else! The intention of Islam is only to oppress people and to rule them with thousands of nonsense-fatwas written by stupid ulema. The question I would like to as is: Where is the merit of islam IN THIS WORLD!? Are muslims better off? On the other hand, the descriptions of paradise in the quran are so laughable - it is incredible that people blieve in such a nonsense: 72 big boobed virgins, fruits and whatsoever - I can´t take this seriously! It is the thinking of an illiterate idiot, nothing compared to nirvana in buddhism or hinduism. It is much like this here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cockaigne . Just use your brain and think: Is it really desirable to live in a world with 72 virgins, wine and fruits and anything for free? Of course, it sounds good, in the very first moment, but if you rethink it seriously, such a world cannot exist, nor is it desirable.
Name: Abdul Haq believes in a murderer
Date: Sunday July 27, 2008
Time: 00:39:06 -0700
Comment
Abdul haq believes ib a man who thinks its right to use violence to convert non muslims to muslims.Sura (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." Sura (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them."
Name: to abdul haq
Date: Sunday July 27, 2008
Time: 01:02:16 -0700
Comment
abdul haq belives in a man who was a thief. Muhamed began to rob caravans to achieve his aim of spreading islam. To use criminal methods to spread islam is the way muhamed chose. This is from wikipeadia. "Economically uprooted and with no available profession, the Muslim migrants turned to raiding Meccan caravans for their livelihood, thus initiating armed conflict between the Muslims and Mecca.[82][83] Muhammad delivered Qur'anic verses permitting the Muslims to fight the Meccans (see Qur'an 22:39–40).[84] These attacks pressured Mecca by interfering with trade, and allowed the Muslims to acquire wealth, power and prestige while working toward their ultimate goal of inducing Mecca's submission to the new faith.[85][86] In March of 624, Muhammad led some three hundred warriors in a raid on a Meccan merchant caravan."
Name: To Ann dexter - Jonathan
Date: Sunday July 27, 2008
Time: 09:52:53 -0700
Comment
You say that muhemed encouraged people to free slaves. Your own quote proves you wrong. The question asked of muhamed was , "What is the best kind of manumission (of slaves)?" He replied, "The manumission of the most expensive slave and the most beloved by his master." So muhamed is not encouraging the freeing of slaves but replying to someone who wants to do a charitable act by freeing a slave. Muhamed took many slaves especially women. He never condemned slavery. The very event shows that if freeing a slave is considered charitable then enslaving one is a inhuman act. Ann dexter cant you see simple logic? What is your background? Are you married to a muslim? Do you want to go about in a burqah and be the fourth wife of a muslim? Lets engage in a proper discussion if you wish to know the truth about islam, shall we?
Name: Re: to abdul haq
Date: Sunday July 27, 2008
Time: 21:56:14 -0700
Comment
“We all believe in God, but not your pagan moon god allah who was being worshipped in the kaaba even before muhameds time….” ----------- Oh really??? And which God is that or shall we say Gods? 4-legged one? Get your history straight. There were idles in Kaaba before that were being worshipped. I am curious to know about your God so that I can ask you some questions – dare to share?
Name:
Date: Monday July 28, 2008
Time: 09:24:42 -0700
Comment
THE COWARDS have started deleting reply posts when they don't have the answers....
Name: Re: to abdul haq
Date: Monday July 28, 2008
Time: 09:26:27 -0700
Comment
“abdul haq belives in a man who was a thief. Muhammad (PBUH) began to rob caravans to achieve his aim of spreading Islam…..” ----- I know your intentions are as usual to hurt Muslim feelings by your CHEAP remarks but very patiently I’m again going to educate the rest of the readers here about your lies. Muhammad (PBUH) was known with two names in Mecca as a trader long before he became a prophet “Sadiq” (The one who tells the truth always) and “Ameen” (the one who does not cheat and can be trusted). Now with that start, I would encourage rest of the readers to do their own research. This was his reputation indeed that when he very first time invited Arabs towards Islam, he started like this ---- “Do you believe that I have even lied to you?” And they said “No”. We know you are truthful and trustworthy. Then Muhammad (PBUH) Said “If I tell you this that there is no God but Allah….and he continued”. Khudeja who was a rich woman, hired his services to run his caravans because of this reputation of Muhammad (PBUH) and later extended proposal to marry him at the age of 25. So as far as his personal character goes, you are so damn stupid to show your character by lying about it. Before you spit out more indecent words from your filthy mouth about the prophet (PBUH) of Islam, better back it up well. Go buy the DVD by History Channel made on Islam and Muhammad (PBUH) and his biography.
Name: ISLAM IS TRUTH --- Benjamin Ali
Date: Monday July 28, 2008
Time: 12:05:38 -0700
Comment
I’m a converted Muslim (Allah-hu-Akbar) out of Brooklyn. After reading all the postings here, my love for Islam has even increased. I was in dark, and Islam enlightened me. I was ignored and my Muslim brothers embraced me. I had never ever heard of such filthy comments from my Muslim brothers about another faith. All we talk about is how we make a difference in the world and help other out, involve in community works etc. I have only one regret – why I did not enter Islam early!!!!!!!!!
Name: To abdul haq - David
Date: Monday July 28, 2008
Time: 13:25:45 -0700
Comment
Because muhamed, according to you, had a spotless reputation before he started propagating islam does not mean he was blameless after he started preaching the absurdity that is islam. Do you disagree that he started robbing caravans headed for mecca? I have quoted the wikipaedia. Answer my question. You are a dishonest charlatan like your mad prophet.
Name: To abdul haq- David
Date: Monday July 28, 2008
Time: 13:38:18 -0700
Comment
Your god allah is the moon god of the kaaba being worshipped even before muhameds birth. According to the meccans, allah had three daughters. The difference in muhameds message is that he preached that allah alone had to be worshipped. If you are not idolaters why is it that you kiss that piece of meteorite in the kaaba? Why did muhamed allow the worship of the daughters of allah than claim that it was inspired by satan? He wanted to win the meccans over, than later thought better about it. This murdering criminal has spread his filth throughout the world. Why dont you remain in a islamic society created by this monster rather than living in the west? You so despise the west but you want to take advantage of their better living standards and at the same time criticise them. That is called biting the hand that feeds you. When you and your family gets sick you take medicines invented by kafirs. You travel in planes and cars made by kafirs. What has your islamic countries produced ? Radio, satellite, microprocessors? You are employed because kafir society created the technology.
Name: Abdul Huq
Date: Monday July 28, 2008
Time: 14:15:07 -0700
Comment
"Because muhamed, according to you, had a spotless reputation before he started..." ---- of course I do. There is so much content written by western historians on Muhammaed and his biography that I don't need to waste tiome with you on this. Also I cannot find the reference in Wikipedia that you claim, forward the link that is clickable. I may need to correct Wikipedia folks as well on this part!
Name: Abdul Huq
Date: Monday July 28, 2008
Time: 14:24:40 -0700
Comment
“Your god Allah is the moon god of the kaaba being worshipped even before muhameds birth….” ----------------- Ha – one new topic now. So far I have taught and corrected you guys on like 30+ or so different subjects that you were ill-educated and ill-educating others about? So let me take this one as well. By now readers have pretty good idea that how much you know about Muslims and Islam and your claims ----- The piece of stone in Kaaba is kissed with love and affection, not worshipped. Got it? You kiss your wife, does that mean you worship her? I believe I answered your questions already. I’m Alhamdulillah in UAE 8 months a year. Hey why don’t all the Jews fuck off to Israel, what they are doing in US by the same token?
Name: Muhamed is a thief who robbed caravans. To abdul Haq- From Jonathan
Date: Tuesday July 29, 2008
Time: 09:54:07 -0700
Comment
Here is the link. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad Unlike muslims jews dont despise the USA. You hate everything about the USA so why do you step onto their territory? If quran taught muslims to reason and make the best use of their talents why are islamic societies so backward? Does the UAE manufacture cars, planes, microprocessors, satellites or for that matter does any islamic country? That shows the value of your quran. An evil message from the mind of a criminal called muhamed.
Name: To abdul haq- You love a stone?
Date: Wednesday July 30, 2008
Time: 12:11:13 -0700
Comment
According to you the stone in kaaba is kissed with love and affection. You love a stone? It sounds like reverence. Why do you love that stone Abdul Haq?
Name: tanstaafl
Date: Sunday August 03, 2008
Time: 08:39:39 -0700
Comment
Bravo, Mr. Schulz! To all western apologists for Islam - read the Qur'an. It will open your eyes to the jihad being waged against humanity.
Name: mohammed, the pervert!
Date: Monday August 04, 2008
Time: 19:51:37 -0700
Comment
Not only did mohammed force marry a 6 year old girl, he killed prisoners in front of their husbands. Nowadays this would involve jail time, instead he is praised?
Name: poor muslim woman
Date: Monday August 04, 2008
Time: 19:53:59 -0700
Comment
the koran demeaners women: it gives men a two to one advantage over them in testimony. It also says a muslim man can beat his wife if the muslim husband fears rebellion(Sura 4:34). A famous muslim commentator said that a man must not be asked why he beat his wife. Another muslim commentator said that the koran instucts women to wear the turka.
Name: Facts for islamists....
Date: Monday August 04, 2008
Time: 20:17:59 -0700
Comment
Fact:Muslim pastry owners in Britain and US have been caught putting feces in their pastries while selling them to "infidels."Restaurant owners have been caught for this too. Fact:Muslims for years have sold Christians into slavery in Sudan. Fact:A muslim cleric has defended the gang rapes of non-muslim women by muslim men in Sweden and Norway. Fact:it is true that not all muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are muslims. Fact:Muslim leaders have been caught red-handed denouncing 9-11 to our face and then promoting it away from us. Fact:each day around the world in muslim countries, people who were once muslim are jailed, kidnapped and killed. Fact:Mohammed forced a 6 year old girl to marry him. He also had a 13 year old wife. He had as many wives as he wanted but only allowed his followers to have 4. Fact:Though men can beat their wives(if it doesn't cause a bruise) women can't do the same to their husbands if they "fear rebellion." "Ye shall know them by their fruit." Fact:I have debated a muslim in a mosque and read materials he gave to me:the materials are filled with twistings, trying to put things in scripture that in context don't belong there! Fact:Osama bin laden who memorized the koran said the koran teaches warfare against the enemy. Fact:About 25% of muslims around the world believe in suicide bombings. That's a lot when you consider 1.4 billion! Fact:84,000 Canadian muslims alone believe in violence. Fact:mullahs in mosques throughout the US have preaced hatred for US and Israel. Fact:believe it or not, someday(see Ezekiel 38-39) Russia and the islamic world is going to come down against Israel only to be delivered by Christ and the armies from heaven.
Name: Good article, sir!
Date: Monday August 04, 2008
Time: 20:29:28 -0700
Comment
The koran teaches that a muslim wife must always be prepared if her husband wants sex. A muslim cleric has stated this. Nothing about him being ready for her. While the Bible says that the wife's body belongs to him AND his body belongs to her(I Cor. 7:4-5). The koran also teaches(Sura 4:11) that a man's testimony is as good as a woman's testimony. For more on what the koran, muslim scholars, hadiths, mohammed himself, and muslim commentators say about women, read: Women in Islam c/o VOM P.O. Box 443 Bartlesville, OK 74005
Name: ooops!!!
Date: Monday August 04, 2008
Time: 20:30:26 -0700
Comment
...I meant to say, a man's testimony is as good as two women's testimony! Sorry!
Name:
Date: Monday August 04, 2008
Time: 20:32:09 -0700
Comment
...slavery IS in the koran and from the above article, it proves that sacred writings of islam promote slavery as well.
Name: You can't deny slavery in the koran...
Date: Monday August 04, 2008
Time: 21:09:44 -0700
Comment
There are NO special circumstances here!: And tell the believing women to lower their gaze and be modest, and to display of their adornment only that which is apparent, and to draw their veils over their bosoms, and not to reveal their adornment save to their own husbands or fathers...OR THEIR SLAVES...(Surah XXIV 31). And marry such of you as are solitary and the pious OF YOUR SLAVES AND MAID-SERVANTS...(Surah XXIV 32). O y who believe! LET YOUR SLAVES, and those of you who have not come to puberty, ask leave of you at three times(before they come into your presence)...(Surah XXIV 58). There are NO special circumstances here! Even in the explaination before this Sura there was NOTHING that would indicate that this would be a special circumstance! If you want to ISERT a special circumstance here you should do that for the whole koran and say that the whole koran doesn't mean what it says in other places you are forced to admit it says.
Name: To all hardcore Muslim fanatics i.e. true Muslims
Date: Wednesday September 10, 2008
Time: 23:46:10 -0700
Comment
Sept. 11 2008 is the 7th anniversary of that dastardly attack destroying the World Trade Center that claimed the lives of more than 3,000 innocent people. The relatives of those victims are mourning while you in the Muslim world are celebrating. Only the Most Evil Mind can plot and execute that terrible Slaughter. Your evil Koran provides the motivation for those blinded fanatics to kill, "Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them!", There is no shame in killing!", "Killing is a small matter to us!" You recite these prayers five times a day drilling into your subconsciousness transforming you into Savages. What you get in return? An Imaginary Paradise, promised by an illiterate, sexual pervert, mass murderer, plunderer Mohammad, where big bosom virgins, handsome young boys, rivers of wine are waiting!!! A normal sane mind will call that Pure Nonsense!!!Your Koran is a copycat picking selected verses in the Bible to give credence to an otherwise false religion. When Lies is mixed with Truth many will be deceived! An example of a Bible verse plagiarized by Koran, "No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no mind of man can conceived what God has prepared for those who loved Him." Since your pervert Mohammad had already described in detail what's in store of his Imaginary Paradise for his faithfuls who died in the name of Allah (blow themselves to pieces), thereby violating what had been stated beforehand, therefore it proves that Koran is false!!! You hardcore Muslim fanatics i.e. true Muslims had sown the wind the Muslim world will soon reap the Whirlwind!!! America, whom you hate so much, will not be the one who will bring the Sword to your Land and finish Islam. Guess who? It will be the rising Superpower European Union that will devastate your Land and finish Islam!!! It will be the Final Chapter in the Holy Crusade started long ago! So those who want to escape this terrible Whirlwind that will sweep and devastate your Muslim land leave Islam now!!! Or better still overthrow your evil Islamic governments!!!