Islam Under Scrutiny by Ex-Muslims

Why Muslims Love Hitler, Not Mozart?

I have had some interesting discussions with my good friend Ohmyrus, who is an ethnic Chinese man but appreciates some aspects of Western civilization that many Westerners themselves appear to have forgotten, or rejected. He is not unique in this regard. One of the best books about European culture published in recent years is Defending the West, written by the former Muslim Ibn Warraq who was born in the Indian subcontinent, not in the Western world. Essentially, according to modern Multiculturalism, every culture has the right to exist – except the Western one. The Iranian-born ex-Muslim Ali Sina denounces Multiculturalism for precisely this reason in his book Understanding Muhammad, which I have reviewed online:

“If any culture needs to be preserved, it is the Western, Helleno-Christian culture. It is this culture that is facing extinction. It is to this culture alone that we owe the Enlightenment, Renaissance, and democracy. These are the foundations of our modern world. It would be a terrible mistake not to preserve this culture. If we do nothing, we face a future where democracy and tolerance will fade and Islam’s more primitive instincts will subjugate humanity. All cultures are not made equal … We owe our freedom and modern civilization to Western culture. It is this culture that is now under attack and needs protection.”

As a native European, it is strange to notice how many (non-Muslim) Asians apparently appreciate my civilization more these days than so-called intellectuals in my own country do. It is challenging to explain how the West could make so many advances in the past and yet be as stupid as it currently is. The question of what went wrong with the West is far more interesting than what went wrong with the Islamic world. The best answer I can come up with is that maybe our current flaws are related to our past virtues, at least indirectly. For instance, being stubborn can be a strength or a weakness, depending upon the situation. The West is a non-traditionalist civilization. We have unquestionably made advances that no other civilization has done before us, despite what some critics claim, but perhaps the price we pay for this is that we also make mistakes that nobody has done before us. Organized science is a Western invention. Organized national suicide, too, is a Western invention. The Western university system once represented a great comparative advantage for Europe vis-à-vis other civilizations. Today that same system is undermining the very civilization that gave birth to it.
 
Since European civilization is so far the only civilization to have had a truly global impact, this means that all other civilizations have to face the challenge of dealing with a layer of impulses and ideas which are not their own. There is no doubt that this has been a disruptive process in many cases, but it is also true that different non-Western cultures deal very differently with the Western challenge and appropriate very different parts of its heritage.
 
The Arabs had no significant pictorial tradition of their own even before Islam. The Islamic ban on pictorial arts was not always enforced, just like the ban on alcoholic beverages was not always strictly enforced, but pictorial arts were discouraged and consequently never occupied a prominent place in that culture. Some Muslim rulers could interpret the religious rules regarding the depiction of human figures quite liberally. A tradition for book illustration and miniature painting did develop, but it is important to remember that even the paintings that did exist were intended as illustrations of a text and were almost never designed for exhibition on a wall or in a gallery. Historian Bernard Lewis explains in his book What Went Wrong?:

“One of the attractions of Western art and particularly of Western portraiture must surely have been the use of perspective, which made possible a degree of realism and accuracy unattainable in the stylized and rather formal art of the traditional miniature … In the late eighteenth and early nineteenth century, Western influence becomes very clear, both in the structure of buildings and in their interior decoration. By the nineteenth century it is almost universal, to such a degree that the older artistic traditions were dying and being replaced by this new art from Europe. As the perception and measurement of space affected the visual arts, so too did the perception and measurement of time affect music – though to a much lesser extent … A distinguishing characteristic of Western music is polyphony, by harmony or counterpoint … Different performers play together, from different scores, producing a result that is greater than the sum of its parts. With a little imagination one may discern the same feature in other aspects of Western culture – in democratic politics and in team games, both of which require the cooperation, in harmony if not in unison, of different performers playing different parts in a common purpose.”

In contrast, here is what Lewis writes in The Middle East: A Brief History of the Last 2,000 Years:

“Since Muslim worship, with the limited exception of some dervish orders, makes no use of music, musicians in the Islamic lands lacked the immense advantage enjoyed by Christian musicians through the patronage of the Church and of its high dignitaries. The patronage of the court and of the great houses, though no doubt useful, was intermittent and episodic, and dangerously subject to the whims of the mighty. Muslim musicians devised no standard system of notation, and their compositions are therefore known only by the fallible and variable medium of memory. There is no preserved corpus of classical Islamic music comparable with that of the European musical tradition. All that remains is a quite extensive theoretical literature on music, some descriptions and portrayals of musicians and musical occasions by writers and artists, a number of old instruments in various stages of preservation, and of course the living memory of long-past performances.”

There are those who are critical of Mr. Lewis as a scholar and consequently believe that he shouldn’t be quoted as an authority. You should always maintain a healthy criticism of any scholar, but I know from other sources that the above mentioned quotes are largely correct.
 
Many forms of music are banned in Islam. The Reliance of the Traveller by Ahmad Ibn Lulu Ibn Al-Naqib and Noah Ha Mim Keller has been formally approved by al-Azhar in Egypt, the highest institution of religious learning among Sunni Muslims. It quotes a number of ahadith, authoritative sayings of Muhammad and his companions which form the core Islamic texts next to the Koran, among them one which says that “There will be peoples of my Community who will hold fornication, silk, wine, and musical instruments to be lawful …” Another quote says that: “On the Day of Resurrection, Allah will pour molten lead into the ears of whoever sits listening to a songstress.” The scholarly conclusion is that “All of this is explicit and compelling textual evidence that musical instruments of all types are unlawful.” Another legal ruling says that “It is unlawful to use musical instruments – such as those which drinkers are known for, like the mandolin, lute, cymbals, and flute – or to listen to them. It is permissible to play the tambourine at weddings, circumcisions, and other times, even if it has bells on its sides. Beating the kuba, a long drum with a narrow middle, is unlawful.”
 
Moreover, while I do disagree with Mr. Lewis sometimes, in my experience he occasionally errs by being too positive when writing about Islamic culture, not too negative. If you believe Lewis, “The earliest specifically anti-Semitic statements in the Middle East occurred among the Christian minorities, and can usually be traced back to European originals.” This view fits well with the anti-European, Multicultural bias of modern media and academia, yet it is completely and utterly wrong, as Dr. Andrew G. Bostom has conclusively demonstrated in his extremely well-researched book The Legacy of Islamic Antisemitism.
 
Dehumanizing Jews as apes (Koran 2:65/7:166), or apes and pigs (Koran 5:60) has been common throughout Islamic history, more than 1300 years before the establishment of the state of Israel. Muhammad himself referred to the Medinan Jews of the Banu Qurayza as “apes” before orchestrating the slaughter of all of their men. As one Muslim living in Germany said, “Jews are the enemy of Allah.”  Referring to Adolf Hitler he stated: “The man was a hero, almost a Muslim. I'm one of his fans.” A disproportionate amount of Europeans who convert to Islam are neo-Nazis or Communists.
 
In 2005, Hitler’s autobiography Mein Kampf was among the top bestsellers in Turkey, behind a book about a Turkish national hero detonating a nuclear bomb in Washington D.C. Adolf Hitler remains widely popular in many other Islamic countries, too. At the same time, Turkish PM Erdogan stressed that Islamophobia must be treated as “a crime against humanity.” It is banned by law to discuss the Armenian genocide in Turkey, a genocide that allegedly inspired the Nazis in their Holocaust against Jews. Would a country the size of Germany, with a history of a thousand years of continuous warfare against its neighbors and where Adolf Hitler is a bestselling author, be hailed as a moderate, Christian country?
 
The earliest evidence we have of musical instruments dates back to the Old Stone Age. We know that there were rich musical traditions in ancient Mesopotamia, Egypt, India, China and elsewhere. Indirectly, it is possible that some aspects of Babylonian musical theory and practice influenced the Greek, and by extension European, musical tradition. The ancient Greeks had a number of musical instruments such as harps, horns, lyres, drums, cymbals etc. Greek music theory evolved continually from Pythagoras before 500 BC to Aristides Quintilianus in the late third century AD, whose treatise De musica (On Music) is an important source of knowledge of the Greek musical tradition.
 
Music was closely connected to astronomy in Pythagorean thought; the great astronomer Claudius Ptolemy wrote on music. Mathematical laws and proportions were considered the underpinnings of both musical intervals and the heavenly bodies. Plato and Aristotle both argued that education should stress gymnastics to discipline the body and music to discipline the mind. Plato was, as usual, the stricter of the two and would only allow certain types of music for limited purposes, lest it could distort the mind. He asserted that musical conventions must not be changed, since lawlessness in art leads to anarchy. Aristotle was less restrictive and argued that music could be used for enjoyment as well as for education. For the Romans, music was a part of most public ceremonies and was featured in entertainment and education.
 
The Christian Church was the dominant social institution in post-Roman Europe and deeply affected the future development of European music. The ancient Greek system of notation had apparently been forgotten by the seventh century AD, when Isidore of Seville (ca. 560-636) wrote that “Unless sounds are remembered by man, they perish, for they cannot be written down.” But with the development of complex chants, what was needed to stabilize them was notation, a way to write down the music. The earliest surviving European books of chant with music notation date from the ninth century. During the early Christian era, the Classical legacy was used, but modified. From the Jews came the practices of singing psalms and chanting Scripture. Church leaders drew on Greek musical theory but rejected pagan customs, and elevated worship over entertainment and singing over instrumental music.
 
It is instructive to consider the fact that Middle Eastern Muslims, too, had access to Greek musical theory, yet they decided not use it, just like they did not utilize the Greek artistic legacy. Both music and pictorial arts were integrated into religious worship in Christian Europe in a way that never happened in the Islamic world. In fact, it was Gregorian chant and the growth of polyphonic music in medieval European monasteries and cathedrals which established the musical tradition that would eventually culminate in the works of Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart and Ludwig van Beethoven centuries later. There was no Mozart or Beethoven in the Islamic world, just like there was no Copernicus, Galileo or Newton.
 
The invention of musical notation enabled musicians to build upon the work of the past. It may have been a necessary condition for the expansion and development of musical expression, but it is not alone sufficient to explain later advances. The discovery of the connection between mathematical ratios and musical intervals attributed to Pythagoras – and independently the Chinese – was important, but not as important as polyphony. According to Charles Murray, “Just as linear perspective added depth to the length and breadth of painting, polyphony added, metaphorically, a vertical dimension to the horizontal line of melody.”
 
China had a well-developed musical tradition at least as far back as the Zhou period (1122-256 BC). Chinese opera is generally familiar to outsiders is, but this art form dates from the early centuries of the current era, especially from early medieval times (the Tang Dynasty). Music played a central role in the Chinese court life during the sixth and fifth centuries BC, at the time of Confucius. It was believed by early thinkers to have great moral powers, although some forms of music were better than others for promoting harmony. The word “music” was written with the same character as “enjoyment.”
 
According to The Cambridge Illustrated History of China by Patricia Buckley Ebrey, “Archaeologists have unearthed quite a few sets of instruments used in court performances in Zhou times. Key instruments were stone chimes, bronze drums, stringed lute-like instruments, bamboo flutes, and sets of bells, struck from the outside. The biggest cache of instruments was discovered in the tomb (c. 433 BC) of Marquis Yi of Zeng, ruler of a petty state in modern Hubei just north of the great state of Chu. In the tomb were 124 instruments, including drums, flutes, mouth organs, pan pipes, zithers, a 32-chime lithophone, and a 64-piece bell set. The zithers have from five to twenty-five strings and vary in details of their construction; they may have come from different regions and been used for performances of regional music. The bells bear inscriptions that indicate their pitches and reveal that they were gifts from the king of Chu. The precision with which the bells were cast indicates that the art of bell-making had reached a very advanced state.”
 
There is no direct equivalent to Mozart or Beethoven in Asia, but perhaps the fact that they have such an ancient and deeply-rooted native tradition makes in easier for the Chinese to appreciate the fruits of other musical cultures. Many East Asians are at the turn of the twenty-first century eagerly appropriating the best traditions of European Classical music.
 
David P. Goldman writes under the pen name “Spengler” as a columnist for the Asia Times Online. He thinks that “The present shift in intellectual capital in favor of the East has no precedent in world history.” According to him, European Classical music “produces better minds, and promotes success in other fields.” This is because “Western classical music does something that mathematics and physics cannot: it allows us to play with time itself.”
 
There is some basis for these statements. Albert Einstein received a thorough philosophical education by studying the thoughts of Kant, Schopenhauer and Spinoza in addition to the physical theories of Isaac Newton, Michael Faraday and James Maxwell. It taught him how to think abstractly about space and time. “The independence created by philosophical insight is - in my opinion - the mark of distinction between a mere artisan or specialist and a real seeker after truth,” Einstein once wrote. He was an accomplished amateur musician as well, and would furiously play his violin as a way of thinking through a difficult physics problem.
 
A strikingly high proportion of the students at top Western musical schools are now Asians, followed by Eastern Europeans. For some reason, there are comparatively few North Americans or Western Europeans among the best instrumentalists, in Spengler’s view because many of them simply don’t have the discipline to practice eight hours a day. One of China’s most famous musicians at the moment is the pianist Lang Lang (born 1982).
 
According to Spengler, “the Chinese nation that looks to Lang Lang as one of its heroes is learning the high culture of the West with a collective sense of wonder. Something more than the mental mechanics of classical music makes this decisive for China. In classical music, China has embraced the least Chinese, and the most explicitly Western, of all art forms. Even the best Chinese musicians still depend on Western mentors. Lang Lang may be a star, but in some respects he remains an apprentice in the pantheon of Western musicians. The Chinese, in some ways the most arrogant of peoples, can elicit a deadly kind of humility in matters of learning. Their eclecticism befits an empire that is determined to succeed, as opposed to a mere nation that needs to console itself by sticking to its supposed cultural roots. Great empires transcend national culture and naturalize the culture they require….Except in a vague way, one cannot explain the uniqueness of Western classical music to non-musicians, and America is governed not by musicians, but by sports fans.”
 
Other civilizations most easily appropriate that in Western culture which speaks to them and which resonates with their own heritage. Westerners have virtually nothing in common with Muslims. While different, we can find common ground with Hindus, Buddhists and Christian Asians when it comes to pictorial arts, for instance, while we share absolutely nothing in this field with Muslims since Islam is rather hostile to many forms of music and most forms of art.
 
I don’t think it’s bigotry to state that Beethoven and Mozart represent a peak in the world history of music, not just in the European tradition. But the great European composers lived in the seventeenth, eighteenth, nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, when Europe clearly was the leading region on the planet in science and technology. There appears to be a close correlation between the sciences and the arts. Perhaps it has something to do with cultural confidence and sense of purpose, or lack of such. In the early twenty-first century, not only do Europeans not produce composers that are anywhere near the stature of a Mozart or a Beethoven; many of us do not even listen to the works of great composers we once produced.
 
Very few young people in Western Europe seriously study European Classical music these days. Asians thus adopt the highest cultural achievements of European civilization at a time when many people of European descent themselves appear to be on the verge of forgetting them, which is symbolic on many levels. On the other hand, Asians are more or less immune to the self-loathing of the contemporary West. I see this as a sign that they appropriate the best aspects of the Western traditions but stay away from the worst ones, which makes sense.
 
It is sad that people from other cultures sometimes copy our bad ideas such as Communism more readily than our good ones, of which we do have many. I don’t by that mean to imply that Europeans alone “invented” totalitarianism. The Incas practiced something resembling Communism in South America. While I may be critical of aspects of Confucianism, I don’t think it can properly be called totalitarian. Totalitarianism in the true sense of the word does, however, have a native Chinese precedent in the ideology of Legalism, which was supported by the state of China’s brutal First Emperor. There is a reason why the Communist dictator Mao Zedong (1893-1976) personally identified with the First Emperor, not with Confucius.
 
Despotism comes quite natural to Islamic culture. When confronted with the European tradition, many Muslims freely prefer Adolf Hitler to Rembrandt, Michelangelo or Beethoven. Westerners don’t force them to study Mein Kampf more passionately than Leonardo da Vinci's Mona Lisa or Goethe’s Faust; they choose to do so themselves. Millions of (non-Muslim) Asians now study Mozart’s piano pieces. Muslims, on the other hand, like Mr. Hitler more, although he represents one of the most evil ideologies that have ever existed in Europe. The fact that they usually like the Austrian Mr. Hitler more than the Austrian Mr. Mozart speaks volumes about their culture. Koreans, Japanese, Chinese and Middle Eastern Muslims have been confronted with the same body of ideas, yet choose to appropriate radically different elements from it, based upon what is compatible with their own culture.
 
One of these cultures has a future, the other one does not.

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Fjordman is based in Norway. He contributes in Brussels Journal, Gates of Vienna, Faith Freedom International and Jihad Watch amongst other Websites. His is the author of Defeating Eurabia.


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Name: Malek
Subject: Western Culture considered the Best !!!? No way!
Date: Wednesday May 13, 2009
Time: 00:15:39 -0400

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I admire their advances, their achievements, their dedications but The Western World has no respect for "CULTURE", they have no culture, Maybe the word you are looking for is "Western Civilisation". "Want to know about somebody's future, look at his past!", And Western past is not very good, is it!? You pointed out scientist, philosophers, musicians why not point out the dark side of the Western World, your alienation of other cutures, the extermination of the American indians, etc.....


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Date: Wednesday May 13, 2009
Time: 00:59:55 -0400

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Faithful Muslims will not tolarate Hitler for all those sufferings that he caused. They gave refuge in Palastine to those who suffered. But after ww2 the refugees wanted to stay permanantly and evicting those who gave them refuge. It is those evicted Palastinians who love Hitler.


Name: duh_swami
Subject: Malek, and the wests 'dark side'.
Date: Wednesday May 13, 2009
Time: 01:13:35 -0400

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the extermination of the American indians, etc..... American Indians suffered abuse, but they were hardly exterminated...They now own casinos...And the west's past? How about trains, planes and automobiles, not to mention televisions and cellphones...really dark stuff...hot dogs, hamburgers, shoe fly pie and apple pan douty...Elvis...Hollywood, and Barack H Obama...Scary huh...


Name: selvi
Subject: persih the evil
Date: Wednesday May 13, 2009
Time: 03:16:21 -0400

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I change the "Q' book evil lines as below."perished be the two hands of islam ,hate and ignorence and let it persih.All the its property of destruction ,hate,intolerence and voilence be burned in takewood fire".Let all moslums in ignorence and dilusions and in fear of pseudo hell be enlithtened about the truth of light.


Name: greek thought was directly coming from india,and india can be world ally against islam
Subject: greek thought was directly coming from india,and india can be world ally against islam
Date: Wednesday May 13, 2009
Time: 03:42:53 -0400

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greek thought was directly coming from india,and india can be world ally against islam.also democracy was practiced in kuffar india over 3000 yrs ago known as ganarajya-people' rule.so the west is not the only originator of freedom.also freedom of worship and frreedom from rleigion atheism is a gift to world from india,where jews,zorastrians etc r free to worship.finally atheism a so called modern concept is not modern at all,and many saints [ yes saints ] like rishi charavak etc openly said there is no god and nature is all that exists.and if there is a god that is nature,and this oevr 3000 yrs ago,atheism-naturalism was practiced in india.so india will be most valuable ally against islam.bcoz it is the only culture that withstood the assault of christianity/islam over last 2000 yrs.so we must kuffar paganism=nature worship stronger and finally overthrow christianity/islam and establish truth again.JAI KUFFAR HIND


Name: Anti Clot
Subject: No-Culture of Islam
Date: Wednesday May 13, 2009
Time: 03:45:27 -0400

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Islam is against music, painting, sculpture, tattooing, dancing and even printing had been strictly forbidden for more than 200 years. I won 't say that the islamic world has no culture at all, however, all the culture there does not exist because of islam but in spite of islam. In Indonesia, for example, the famous arts of shadow plays was surpressed by islam. Worst of all, the average muslim of today never reads a book in his life. Thatś why most arab writers publish in english or french.


Name: vbv
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Date: Wednesday May 13, 2009
Time: 06:54:20 -0400

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Muslims like Hitler ,because he comes close to Muhamad in the idealogy of racism and destruction of all other cultures and way of life. Afetr all islam is a cult to promote arab chauvinism and to denigrate and subjugate all other races. Ofcourse even Hitler cannot hold a candle to the sheer destructiveness of Muhamad and his islam, above all the sheer lechery and rapaciousness of Muhamad is inmatched in the annals of history. Even the likes of Genghis Khan, Atilla the Hun or Stalin, POlPot,Mao etc would pale into insignificance before Muhamad. That is why muslims say"peace be unto him" everytime they call out the name of Muhamad their fake 'prophet'. They are shit-scared even after 1400 years that his ghost will go on a rampage if they don't say "peace upon him" everytime they mention his name. Imagine the sheer savagery of this psychopath that 400 years have not diminished the fear of facing his irrational and fiery wrath. No other 'prophet' or godman can evoke such fear ,especially that when he has zealots even today ready to murder,loot,rape and destroy in his name. That is the influence of this mad ,extreme bigotry.


Name: to kuffar vbv...good one u scored 101/100 my friend !!!!!
Subject: to kuffar vbv...good one u scored 101/100 my friend !!!!!
Date: Wednesday May 13, 2009
Time: 06:58:43 -0400

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to kuffar vbv...good one u scored 101/100 my friend !!!!! yr explanation is SPOT ONE !!! jai kuffar hindu,vande bharat mataram [ zakir kaskar ex-muslim ]


Name: do houries have pubic hair or they r clean under there ????
Subject: do houries have pubic hair or they r clean under there ????
Date: Wednesday May 13, 2009
Time: 07:03:06 -0400

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do houries have pubic hair or they r clean under there ???? no book gives proper reply,so do any clit dik have any reply ?


Name: balam
Subject: why Muslims love Hitler, Not Mozart
Date: Wednesday May 13, 2009
Time: 08:41:48 -0400

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There are more common traits between Mohammad and Hitler than Mohammad and Mozart.Mohammad was a fascist,so was Hitler.Mohammad brought in totallatarian ideology called Islam or Mohammadanism,where as HITLLER introduced Nazism .Nazism was destroyed after w.w 2 and it is the turn of Mohammadanism now.This cult can not go on for ever.The Western world has no respect for the Mohammadan culture after 9/11 ,because its true face has been exosed,which is extremely ugly and evil.Both Mohammad and Hitler were evil men.Hitler was slighly more moral.He did not rape women and cetainly not a pedophile.Mozart was a creative genius and Mohammad was a destructive genius.


Name: duh_swami
Subject: To vbv...Hitler and MO...
Date: Wednesday May 13, 2009
Time: 08:53:15 -0400

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Ofcourse even Hitler cannot hold a candle to the sheer destructiveness of Muhamad and his islam,............. Just think what Mohammad could have done had he been mechanized...some tanks, and a few bombers would have carried him a long way...but you are right, as destructive as Hitler was with his mechanization, Mohammad was more destructive without it. One reason is that Hitlers destruction only lasted a few years, while Mohammad's started in 600+ and is still going to this day. There are several causes for this, two basics are, dividing the world into dar al-Islam, and dar al-harb, and Quran 8:39...'Fight them 'until' all worship Allah...' 'Until' has never been achieved, and is not going to be achieved, so perpetual warfare is the result...'We are going to fight you until you worship Allah'...Another way of saying that is 'the floggings will continue until morale improves'...That's Islam, and both Mohammad's and Hitler's Motto...


Name: Shiva Worshipper
Subject: Allah is the Moonlight for Muslims in the Knowledge Night
Date: Wednesday May 13, 2009
Time: 10:12:02 -0400

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Little knowledge and little light always play game with mind, dangerous things may appear as blessings from Heaven and that’s exactly what happens in the moonlight of Allah knowledge and wisdom. If in the night people are lost in a jungle and are desperate to get out, suddenly they may see a broad open road at a distance and may run with joy towards it, thinking it to be a way out of the jungle but its trick of the moonlight which is playing on their mind, in reality it is not the broad open road, it is a deep river which is filled with crocodiles. The river will drown you and crocodiles will eat you alive. Muslim society believe in using force and knowledge of dark ages as a solution to all problems, their torture start from birth when their private parts are cut down for sake of religion, and suffering continues all life. Then Koran and Mosques are offered to them as way out from suffering and to a desperate mind this dangerous river looks like a wide open road in the jungle. Once they jump into this river, they drown deeper into misery and eaten alive by religious, political and business dealers who keep using them for their own benefit and agenda.


Name: Shiva Worshipper 2
Subject: Allah is the Moonlight for Muslims in the Knowledge Night
Date: Wednesday May 13, 2009
Time: 10:12:52 -0400

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If Muslims or anyone in general want to cross the river of misinformation then do not depend on the free moonlight or shortcuts for better life being offered, Goods things are not always for free, you need to work for them and earn them. Make a torch of reasoning, and logic for yourself and use scientific knowledge and investigation as a boat to cross the river of misinformation and brainwashing. To guide yourself you can take some good values and morals from religions like Christianity and Hinduism and I mean only good values and morals which you can agree with. God gave you brain, so use it like a filter, drink the tea and throw the tea leaves away or there will be indigestion. Try to be a good human first, and then something else like good Muslim, Hindu or Christen. As a fellow human, it was my moral responsibility to warn you that “In the moonlight of Allah, what you see as a broad wide road to heaven is in reality a deep river filled with crocodiles”. Now it’s your choice, you want to find a way to cross the river of misinformation or you want to drown in it.


Name:
Subject: Excellent article
Date: Wednesday May 13, 2009
Time: 22:08:51 -0400

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Excellent article! "Despotism comes quite natural to Islamic culture." So true! Allah is the worst despot. Also it is not uncommon in Islamic culture to betray or kill their own parents, their own children and their own siblings in order to save their skins from Islamic hell. As an aside, here is a forum to post your comments: www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam


Name: Archpagan
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Date: Wednesday May 13, 2009
Time: 23:36:53 -0400

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Muslims are more receptive to the language of sword than to the language of reason.In Muhammad's time there were more than one pretenders to prophethood. So, prophethood of Muhammad had to be decided by the sword. One day we may have to march on to Kaaba and proclaim that Muhammad was a false prophet. Muslims will accept it gladly because that would be in line with their principle Might is truth.


Name: jenn
Subject:
Date: Wednesday May 13, 2009
Time: 23:40:53 -0400

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Hitler and Mohammad were twins. They also had anal sex with devils. so muslims love them.


Name: Malek
Subject: duh_swami
Date: Thursday May 14, 2009
Time: 05:05:57 -0400

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"How about trains, planes and automobiles, not to mention televisions and cellphones...really dark stuff...hot dogs, hamburgers, shoe fly pie and apple pan douty...Elvis...Hollywood, and Barack H Obama...Scary huh...... " hahahahaha u r funny here is equivalent list how about the pollution, cellphone radiation, obesity, junk food... scray stuff huh.... Hirioshima, Nagazaki, ...... George bush, scared yet... I mean you people blew up ur own twin towers just to start a war with the world.... t.t.t.t. what a race of people!


Name: kenmirzz- ex- muslim
Subject: Clashes of civilization
Date: Thursday May 14, 2009
Time: 22:24:41 -0400

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actually life revolve like a cycle. there were times when asian( chinese, indian and persian) achieved the peak of their civilization while other nations were in darkness. now is the age of western civilization on its zenith. we must embrace it. however, the author of above article failed to mention that communism had its root origin from Karl Marx and Friedrich Engel. the chinese (Mao Tse Dong) were mere followers. communism was also an evil product of western civilization. legalism was not only practised in ancient china (first emporer) but ancient egypt(pharaoh) as well. i hope there is no biasness here. humanity is but one family. :)


Name: Roman
Subject: Malek
Date: Monday May 18, 2009
Time: 14:47:11 -0400

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What is wrong about the West's past? I see many great things! What do you know about this past that I don't know? Name me another culture that achieved so much! May be the China before Communism, may be India before Muslim invasion, but not much else, I am afraid...


Name: ha ha ha .....
Subject: islamic culture
Date: Friday May 22, 2009
Time: 01:01:50 -0400

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Sadly, islamic culture was nothing more than Mohammad and his religion only. No music, no picture/drawing, but sex and sex and sex only. Christian's heaven is a place where Christians praise the Lord forever, the One True God. But islamic heaven is a place where all moslem can have sex all the time with the houris', forever, ha ha ha .... Islam is a religion for the sex-starving people, just like their prophet, ha ha ha ......


Name: ha ha ha .....
Subject: Malek
Date: Friday May 22, 2009
Time: 01:10:41 -0400

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What modern medicine found by moslem? Even the simplest one, aspirin, was found by a western scientist. What is the contribution of Islam for the modern world? Nothing except terrorism. Remember 9/11? Or Black September? If you said that all the past histories are wrong, then why the moslem do the same thing? If Nagasaki was wrong, then why moslem did the 9/11? The bombing of hotels around the world? Or embassies? The burning of several churches in Indonesia? Don't tell me they were done by other sect of moslem. They were done by Moslem.


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Subject: Mahound's/Islam's Cultural and Scientific Contributions to the World?
Date: Friday May 22, 2009
Time: 01:26:45 -0400

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Headbanging on the ground, for 30+ minutes, five times a day, until one's forehead is "beautifully dented" with the mark of mahoundian's utter inferiority, like Ayman al-Zawahiri's and Saudi Arabia's Mutawaeen's. But it sure isn't rocket science to discover that there will eventually be physical damage if one repeatedly hits their forehead against any hard surface for an extended period of time, is it?


 
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