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Condemning the Central Value of Civilized Society

by Alamgir Hossain

18 April, 2008

One wonders what would be the reaction of Muslims if a museum in Riyadh or Islamabad, or in any Muslim country, displays, for example, a Piss Muhammad photograph like the one of Jesus by American photographer Andres Serrano, which depicts a small plastic crucifix submerged in a glass of the artist's urine. 

Displaying such as an art-work even in a European, American, Canadian or Australian Museum would be impossible - thanks to the super sensitivity of Muslim feelings. But Andres Serrano's Piss Christ photograph was exhibited in art galleries and museums of most Western countries albeit amid whining complaint from Christians. Complaints against its display were rejected on the ground of artistic freedom and freedom of speech. For example, when the National Gallery of Victoria displayed Piss Christ in 1997, a petition against its displaying by Dr George Pell, the Archbishop of Melbourne, was rejected by the court in support of the artist’s right to express his mind.

This right to freedom of expression is the central hallmark of civilized societies. Upholding it, asserted John Milton in 1644, is central to the government’s duty to serve the people.

Therefore, the duty of western democratic governments and of liberal institutions, such as the UN and the EU, is to enforce tolerance for one's right to free expression, not to trample it. Authorities in western countries have done exactly that by rejecting Christian objections against the display of Piss Christ art piece. But most Western governments, the UN and the EU did exactly the opposite by summarily condemning Dutch politician Geert Wilders' recent film on Islam (Fitna) as "highly offensive". The film depicts the consistency of certain Koranic verses with the activities of Muslim Imams, radicals and terrorists.

As Wilders' film was released in remote Internet sites, the Dom Museum in Vienna, an art gallery attached to the historic Catholic cathedral of St Stephen, was running an exhibition of artist Alfred Hrdlicka's works, including a rendition of the Last Supper of Christ and His Apostles, in which they are engaged in a homosexual orgy

Obviously, the UN, the EU and Western governments did not find this depiction of Jesus as a homosexual (who holds quite the opposite image) offensive at all. Muslim Imams and radicals, on the other hand, frequently point to passages from the Koran and Prophet Mohammed's example to justify their hateful speeches and violent actions. One is left to wonder, how putting together such Koranic passages with widely circulated images and videos of Muslim Imams and radicals and their actions, as Wilders has done in his film, becomes "highly offensive".

Muslims have complained that the film misrepresented their religion by misinterpreting those Koranic verses or by taking them out of context and unfairly linking them to speeches and actions of a small number of extremists. If that is the case, instead of condemning Wilders - they should better work on attaching the correct context or interpretation to such apparently violent and hateful Koranic verses in order to prevent those extremists from causing havoc in the West as well as in their own countries. 

It is likely that Alfred Hrdlicka's art, depicting Jesus as a homosexual, will be exhibited all over the world without any reaction from the UN, the EU and western governments. But how will they react if an artist creates a similar art-work based on Mohammed (more appropriate since Mohammed had an overly active sexual life) and wants to display it in a museum or art gallery in a western country? It is not be difficult to guess what their reactions will be.

But whatever the reaction, the UN, the EU and western governments are duty-bound to uphold, not condemn, freedom of expression. More importantly, the application of two opposite standards for two different religions in the same society is only unfair and hypocritical, but also will not work for long. In due course of time, the censorship of criticisms and offensive depictions of Islam, will lead to similar censorship surrounding Christianity and other faiths. 

In the end, the liberal western democracies will end up losing the most treasured achievement of civilized societies—the freedom of expression—which was achieved after two millennia of struggle (which started with Socrates' insistence on speaking his mind, for which he was put to death in 399 BC), and at the cost of immense sacrifice and suffering.

Now in the 21st century, losing this prized achievement of human civilization would not only be a tragic loss, but also an utter disgrace. 

"Preserving freedom is harder than achieving it," said some Indian political genius. With the burgeoning super sensitive and intolerant Muslim populace—the western democracies are undoubtedly going through trying times.

Actions taken by the governments will crucially determine whether freedom of expression, an inalienable human right, will end up in the gutter, or be preserved in the heart of societies in the decades to come. Let us hope that humankind will not have to sacrifice blood once again to achieve the right to offend any racial, religious and ethnic groups, because of the failure of western governments to uphold their central duty.



Name: Tyranny is better organized than freedom
Date: Friday April 18, 2008
Time: 06:10:09 -0700
 

Comment 

Those are the words of another political genius, whose name escapes me at the moment. Expect Islam to triumph within a few centuries, unless the free people of the world (religious or not) decide otherwise. Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Patrick Henry answered his own question when he said "give me liberty or give me death". Today it's: give me my internet and my CDs and my MTV and you can do as you please. Just wait until those people have to bang their heads on the ground five times a day and be wakened by insufferable people who can't adjust to modern life. You never know what you have until you lose it. We won't appreciate our freedom until it is lost and we are all servants of Allah. Our descendants will curse us to their dying day. 


Name: Godot
Date: Friday April 18, 2008
Time: 06:47:37 -0700
 

Comment 

Excellent essay with one caveat...the West doesn't practice double standard when it comes to freedom of speech/expression, it practices triple standard! Try to express yourself artistically in an anti-semetic oeuvre d'art and let me know. Freedom of speech should be universal with no "promised" privileges nor "chosen" groups. 


Name: akhter
Date: Friday April 18, 2008
Time: 07:25:43 -0700
 

Comment 

If the Quran was written, copied , stolen as the non muslims claim, surely there has to be someone in this age of science, and knowledge to PROVE the Quran wrong , by writing a sura[ chapter] like the one below. Can any one write a better definition of monotheism than MOHAMMAD did in the sura below, come on you faithless people at least have faith in yourself, all the best of luck. Surah 112. The Unity, Sincerity, Oneness Of Allah 1. Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; 2. Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; 3. He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; 4. And there is none like unto Him.  


Name: Dave
Date: Friday April 18, 2008
Time: 07:40:08 -0700
 

Comment 

A piece of cake, when we have the elite, as Paul, Tomm, Peter, Balam, Allot , Agnostic, Patrik Risk, Marie, and the the ultimate mr Ibn Kammanue. Come on you people!  


Name: balam
Date: Friday April 18, 2008
Time: 07:50:40 -0700
 

Comment 

Christ is big enough to forgive these petty Piss artist who wishes to be controversial. Christ forgave those people, who put Him on the cross to kill HIM,but God raised Him from the dead, which is a historical fact. Mohammad on the other hand always liked to be praised. He had zero tolerance for the truth and criticism. He had no compassion and got Asma Bint Marwan murdered and left her five children without mother because she dared to criticise him. Mohammad was a callous and coward man, if you would call him a man. 


Name:
Date: Friday April 18, 2008
Time: 08:15:22 -0700
 

Comment 

Christ [peace be upon him ] is a beloved propht of the muslims,never killed, and taken up ALIVE.Give example of some one who was,nt MUSLIM, Because Christ submitted himself to his father, ALLAH. 


Name: AKHTER
Date: Friday April 18, 2008
Time: 08:19:49 -0700
 

Comment 

Balam, dear brother save your big words, and write in four lines the thoheed[ oneness] of Almighty.Don,t let Mohammad beat you man!! prove him wrong. 


Name: Allat
Date: Friday April 18, 2008
Time: 08:26:28 -0700
 

Comment 

Yes, depictions of the Great Master Teacher are disrespectful. That's because people today don't believe HE ever existed - they have to have rock solid proof, you know. And they site duplicates of other such "miracle workers."____________ However, it doesn't matter, we, on Earth for some strange reason, then and now, are SUCH CRUEL SAVAGES - even animals are superior to us. Animals don't do to their young and their females, what we Humans do to ours - and this I mean, in the West. Look at the crime stats._________We DO need Teachers FROM TIME TO TIME- in different Ages - to come to us, and teach us Compassion and Mercy. So if there were Teachers of Righteousness previously (as the Gnostic Gospels say)--PREVIOUSLY - way back in time- Aesclepius - Buddha Amin -- Krishna -- Shiva - Odin - Ramtha- and so many others. It is because we needed these so much. These Teachers are considered Myths by the West. But when you study and research their lives and acts, you see that they did bring great benefits to Humankind. "By their fruits you shall know them."  


Name: Re: AKHTER
Date: Friday April 18, 2008
Time: 08:42:02 -0700
 

Comment 

How about this one: He is the only lonely, he was not made from clot, nor did he make anybody from clot. And if you believe in THIS, than you will not only 72, but 73 horny virgins in heavan!  


Name:
Date: Friday April 18, 2008
Time: 08:59:20 -0700
 

Comment 

Good try, now rite the rest and that will your copy of the Quran for this site 


Name: Allat
Date: Friday April 18, 2008
Time: 09:10:57 -0700
 

Comment 

To: "Tyranny is better organized than freedom"____-Yet, think of it this way------------Our disjointedness or scattering in different parts is OUR VERY STRENGTH! _______We resisters of Islam live in various parts of the world-----------we are like Earthquake proof buildings as compared to solid, one piece buildings. OUr lack of cohesion is what will help us survive and continue on in the Balance (Maat)__________Remember in order to fly, the birds have light bones.___________We, here in this Forums - may seem to be "preaching to the choir," but we are honing, testing, practicing our skills in rhetoric and thinking. OUr abilities to think are NOW. And there are so many other comparisons._________We- in these Blogs- anti-islamic blogs - all over the Net------the Aware Ones - the Self-Educated - will be the Thousand Leaders in the Freedom Movement rapidly coming upon us, in these Times. Remember Martin Luther King and Gandhi- whoe were the leaders of movements - when they were assassinated (appropriate that islamic word, eh?) ----when the head was cut off - the forward movement stopped! Well, we've learned from that. This time the Forward Thrust - *Evolution will continue because there are so many of us. And when any is brought down, there will be OTHERS to take our place! We are ALL leaders.__________I love Patrick Henry's Speech, he was a NOBLE man...to be HONORED. But I don't want to say it, because to do so, brings attracts the actuality to one, when one speaks something or fears something, it will bring it to one.____ I have every intention of continuing to live. To Resist. As the Minute Men in the Amer. Revolution. As a Resistance Fighter.______-Like the Underground Railroad bringing slaves away from their Masters...like Harriet Tubman and Soujourner Truth, like those women - who were no man's pawn. And when there is need to wear the niqad - that black shroud - as a Resistance Warrior - I will do so._There will be many ways to fight and resist. __Remember this_________-When the Laws of the Land insist that these Laws are the valid laws, and condemn and imprison people --------when the Laws of Freedom and God are stepped on-------------and that seems to be coming upon us, even here in the U.S. ---there are many ways to resist!___________  


Name: Allat
Date: Friday April 18, 2008
Time: 09:31:35 -0700
 

Comment 

So, as to my previous post. Those sharp and astute, will ask, "Well if saying something or fearing something, will bring it to one, why did I just say, that "The times are coming, where the Laws of the West and the U.S. will be - Laws of Man, instead of Laws of God?" Why is she saying that?________Unfortunately, for us, we are ALL in a Collective Consciousness. This is what is happening.........We in these Forums, are the Keepers of the Light! Have you ever heard of that term? We, are the Righteous that will hold the torch of "Evolution" forward, into the Darkness._________I'm saying that, because the rest of Humanity is falling asleep at the wheel, and the train being derailed, and falling into the chasm._______We, have the rope, and are scrambling, to hold on to the cliff, to the rock._______The rest of Humanity is the overall Consciousness right at the moment. Those are the ones calling the shoots right now._______________*Evolution enmcopasses not ONLY the physicial body ( Darwinism), but the Mind seeking to return to the Source, and the Soul in the Body is the connection between both._________Let me digress a bit. No matter what you call it, there is some little voice in us, always advising us as to our acts and behavior. In truth, no body really needs The Ten Commandments, because our advisor in WITHIN. We know when we are doing wrong. In the koran - there is a passage ( I CAN'T LOCATE IT ) that I came across a while back - for didn't mark the numbers. I found it very interesting and the KEY to the entire Cult of islam. To paraphras it, it says " And when you hear a voice within, encouraging you to compassion for your fellows, do NOT listen to it, for it goes against the laws of allah. Rather, adhere to the koran, blah, blah blah)._________Very intereeesting! ___As Mr. Spock would say.  


Name: Tree
Date: Friday April 18, 2008
Time: 09:32:28 -0700
 

Comment 

Akhatar, I wish for once you would address the issue. Why is it right for you to denounce other religions but it is wrong for anybody else to denounce yours?  


Name: ZuK
Date: Friday April 18, 2008
Time: 10:24:34 -0700
 

Comment 

If you read Russian, enjoy a piece of pro-Islamic pro-Cheche Jihadist propaganda (some of the videos and articles are REAL jewels! dark jewels, of course...) http://www.kavkazcenter.com/russ/ I think there is an english version too, at the home page. 


Name: ZuK to Akhter
Date: Friday April 18, 2008
Time: 10:34:47 -0700
 

Comment 

Akhter, my poor, poor, underfed abused brainwashed child: if you were able to read AT ALL, you would know by now at least 100 BETTER THAN QUR'AN literary texts addressing every kind of religious subjects. As for the rest of the readers, the better educated part, may I suggest "The Prophet" (1923) and other writings by Lebanese Christian writer Gibran Khalil Gibran, and "Gitaanjali" by Bengali poet Rabindranath Tagore. Don't they beat 1000 times any qu'ran? So, let's put it THIS way, Akhter - why don't YOU come up with something better that the two above mentioned mortal, merely human authors? 


Name: For all Jihadists - Must read!!!
Date: Friday April 18, 2008
Time: 10:46:01 -0700
 

Comment 

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Name: SomeOne
Date: Friday April 18, 2008
Time: 10:46:08 -0700
 

Comment 

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Name: akhter
Date: Friday April 18, 2008
Time: 14:36:08 -0700
 

Comment 

After taking a good brake, i was hoping there would be a serious try from our eminent scholars ,and what do we have, well not so much i am afraid .All these people who are always denying and denouncing the greatest prophet off all Mohammad, prove him wrong, bring your proofs, show what you are made off. If you all can not then there will be and is no doubt that Quran indeed is the living miracle of ALLAH, AND Mohammad. 


Name: akhter
Date: Friday April 18, 2008
Time: 14:41:36 -0700
 

Comment 

Zuk, i am happy to be poor, where is your Christain brother, and where is his version of Quran, i just asked for four lines man, mohammad 1500 years ago a poor sheherd boy iletrate wrote a masterpiece, try to match it my rich rich brother. 


Name: zoltix
Date: Friday April 18, 2008
Time: 17:08:00 -0700
 

Comment 

akhter said Can any one write a better definition of monotheism than MOHAMMAD did I thought the Pervert Muhammed couldn't write. I thought these words were from allah not Muhammed. You have a made a big mistake akhter - you will surely go to hell for suggesting muhammed wrote sura 112 


Name: ZuK to poor Akhter.
Date: Friday April 18, 2008
Time: 18:18:22 -0700
 

Comment 

To Akhter. Free translation (you have to know Bengali to appreciate it, sorry.) I slept / An dreamed / that life was joy // I woke up // and saw / that life was service // I served / and saw / that service was joy.// Rabindranath Tagore. Show me the part of Qur'an that matches this short poetry in beauty, economy of words, eloquence, and spirituality. // As for me, I am not a Christian, and actually it doesn't matter at all who I am or am not. But I would be HONORED to call Khalil Gibran or R. Tagore my brothers, so thank you on that. As for the "poor" remark, I wonder if your iliteracy and lack of sense of irony are in cause-effect relationship, or are concurrent. 


Name: Ibn Kammuna
Date: Friday April 18, 2008
Time: 18:24:13 -0700
 

Comment 

To: Akhter and company Hello brother Akhter. So good to know you are still alive and kicking. Brother your wait is over. Search the web for "Sura like it" and you'll see a couple of sites that imitated the Qur'an and did a better moral job too. As you know, if you can read Arabic, the Qur'an is one of the most boring books there is. But those folks wrote rhyming wisdom that is enjoyable to read. I know Arabic, so you'll have to trust me on this one. We miss you at FFI Akhter, and so I renew my call here to FFI editors to allow you back on the FFI site. This is a sincere call. Regards brother 


Name: antimod
Date: Friday April 18, 2008
Time: 19:41:06 -0700
 

Comment 

Akhter what is so great about Mohammed's description of allah. You are so very ignorant of other faiths. The Vedas say "Ekam sad viprah bahuda vadanti', this state ment was made several millenia before the birth of your prophet. It says there is one god but known by many(names, manifestations etc). Go to Upanishads and you will find many instances. Read about Biophotonics and compare all the hindu rituals of sun and plant worship in the light of this discovery. You are far too behind in terms of knowing Truth. Wake up you muslim, if not your next birth will be surely that of a lowly creature. All that bullshit of qayamat and allah making judgement is a stupid theory. Wake up to reality. God judges your everyday karma, He does not have to wait till qayamat. You will be rewarded and punished in this very life for you deeds.Wake up before it is too late. 


Name: balam to Akhter
Date: Friday April 18, 2008
Time: 19:41:06 -0700
 

Comment 

The true Toheed is; There is no allah but God and Jesus is the son of God. allah was a pre-islamic pagan god which was worshiped along with 360 minor gods in Mecca and the were placed in Kabba. Mohammads fathers name was Abed-allah, which means: worshipper of allah: Mohammad discarded all the other pagan gods and adopted allah to be worshipped. Mohammad did not believe in Toheed or Oneness of god, otherwise he would not recommend to carry on worshipping Al-Uzza, Al-Allat and Al-Mannat. Can you in all honesty deny that? There are eye witness accounts of Christs crucifiction, death and resurrection and historical accounts as well. How can one trust Mohammad when he claimed that some verses came to him from Satan, called Satanic Verses. Mohammad holds no credibility as far as truth is concerned. Finally, a tree is known by its fruits. Try to convince the world that Mohammad had any thing holy about him while you do not stop calling him holy, day and night. A holy man does not have sex with a minor, does not lust after somebody elses beloved wife, does not rob, does not rape women and kill innocent people. Mohammad broke all the Ten Commandments given to Moses by God which are the corner stone of a civilised society, if acted upon. Mohammad had no ingredients of a prophet in him. I would not invite him for a cup tea in my house. 


Name: agnostic
Date: Friday April 18, 2008
Time: 23:40:50 -0700
 

Comment 

Akhter, the typical braindead, sympotmatic of all muslims wrote: "All these people who are always denying and denouncing the greatest prophet off all Mohammad,prove him wrong,bring your proofs,show what you are made off. If you all can not then there will be and is no doubt that Quran indeed is the living miracle of ALLAH, AND Mohammad"]]]] We do not have to prove anything dunghead. It is you zombies who have a heinous history of living Satan's lie and his son Mo that has to prove to us that your filthy book the quran is a miracle. Your allah has already proven over and again he is hopeless, helpless, useless as are his "best of men" You claim Mo to be greatest prophet. I ask you, WHAT PROPHECY DID MO PROPHESY? I can provide the prophecies of Jesus which is being fulfilled, the 300 prophecies BEFORE Jesus was born, the miracles Jesus performed. Likewise, you should provide same. Possible? Then either you or the quran LIES BIGTIME. - Sura 17:90-94 of the Quran tells about how, when MO was challenged to perform a miracle and prove he was from the true god, he could not perform any and here he actually says himself: "Am I anything but a man,- a messenger? ". - In Sura 13:7, we find that MO did not perform any miracles. The people are saying that even one sign would would be enough to convince them, just one miracle performed by MO - and yet he still does none.... All along, the unbelievers asked MOto perform a miracle so that they could believe. All they got in response was, - Sura 17:90They say: "We will by no means believe in you until you cause a fountain to gush forth from the earth for us.," And MO would reply:- Sura 17:93 Say: "Am I anything but a man,- a messenger?" So MO mmad even disqualified himself as a true man of God, let alone a prophet. But the swine, the filthy sex maniac littered history with accounts of his carnal loves: perfume, women and food. And please note: throughout the quran there are verses showing that allah was concerned with MO's sexual activities. allah gives specific commands to his "best of men " sex maniacs concerning with whom they may and may not have sex, and even how they physically could have sex (a reference to sexual positions is found in 2:222, 223). Your equally sex maniac allah is sex obsessed, that's why he is busy making virgins to be raped and pearly cheeked 10 year old boys to be sodomised. Ain't these verses in your sex manual the quran? It states that in Paradise men will be married to "Houris" (beautiful, angelic-like female creatures who’s virginity is renewed each day). Here are some verses: "Thus (shall it be), and We will wed them with Houris, pure, beautiful ones." The Evident Smoke, 44:54 Shakir--… They shall recline on couches lined with thick brocade, and within reach will hang the fruits of both gardens. … Therein are bashful virgins whom neither man nor jinnee will have touched (opening their hymens with sexual intercourse) before. … Virgins as fair as corals and rubies…. The Beneficent, 55:54-58 Dawood--In each there shall be virgins chaste and fair. … Dark eyed virgins sheltered in their tents whom neither man nor jinnee would have touched before. They shall recline on green cushions and fine carpets. … The Beneficent 55:70-77 Dawood --We created the Houris and made them virgins, loving companions for those of the right hand… That Which is Coming, 56:36 Dawood--As for the righteous, they shall surely triumph. Theirs shall be gardens and vineyards, and high-bosomed virgins for companions: a truly overflowing cup. The Tidings, 78:31-33 Dawood --Also reference 52:20, 56:22-24 ***the quran declares that MO was a sinner (9:43;40:55;47:19; 48:2;294:1-3, etc.), but Jesus was sinless (19:17-19). Get that stupid. ****You say: How about this one: He is the only lonely, he was not made from clot, nor did he make anybody from clot. And if you believe in THIS, than you will not only 72, but 73 horny virgins in heavan! Then EXPLAIN THIS! 96.1 & 96.2 that man was created from a blood clot, but 21.3 & 24.45 says from water,19.67 from nothing, 3.59 & 35.11 from clay, 15.26 from mud and 16.4 & 75.37 says from a thickened liquid. SO WHICH PART OF THE QURAN IS WRONG? *****Why should we non muslims accept another quran when we will not , the majority I believe, which is sanitised, modified, whatever when we know it is nothng more than LIES to DECEIVE us, to LULL us before we are murdered? You muscums might be braindead. Ours is ticking well and fine. You muslims have been condemned to be slaughtered at the hand of your common forefather Abraham's god. Dwell on it.  


Name: Concerning Monotheism
Date: Saturday April 19, 2008
Time: 00:27:48 -0700
 

Comment 

Islam is making so much hype around its monotheism but what is it good for? Buddha and Confucius did not mention god at all because its not necessary. Necessary is to teach to do good things and not bad things. And we CAN NOT KNOW how god looks like or how many of them exist because it is out of reach. But even worse, Mohammad and his followers killed so many people only for this reason. I think he and his gangsters were only looking for a reason to kill others. Here Akhter, here is a very nice chinese definition of what some religions call god: "The Way that can be told of is not an unvarying way; The names that can be named are not unvarying names. It was from the Nameless that Heaven and Earth sprang;The named is but the mother that rears the ten thousand creatures, each after its kind." This is from the chinese Tao Te Ching, maybe not the best possible translation. But it reveals that the islamic way, which will never allow any change at all is not the right one.  


Name: Better Translation (James Legge)
Date: Saturday April 19, 2008
Time: 00:34:10 -0700
 

Comment 

"1 The Tao that can be described is not the enduring and unchanging Tao. The name that can be named is not the enduring and unchanging name. (Conceived of as) having no name, it is the Originator of heaven and earth; (conceived of as) having a name, it is the Mother of all things. Always without desire we must be found, If its deep mystery we would sound; But if desire always within us be, Its outer fringe is all that we shall see. Under these two aspects, it is really the same; but as development takes place, it receives the different names. Together we call them the Mystery. Where the Mystery is the deepest is the gate of all that is subtle and wonderful." 


Name: akhter
Date: Saturday April 19, 2008
Time: 03:25:42 -0700
 

Comment 

Big and very long speeches, this and that, who and how, that is all you the elitist could muster, it is not i who says Mohammad wrote the quran,as it is from ALLAH, but YOU the faithless people who say that, despite all , non of you have managed in four lines or in any form the description of the word monotheism, and so the challenge still remain,and i know it will remain till the end, that is why the Quran is indeed the living miracle of GREATEST prophet MOHAMMAD. PBUH. You have been warned!!!  


Name:
Date: Saturday April 19, 2008
Time: 04:56:04 -0700
 

Comment 

Hhahahahahahahaha!!! You silly ass Akhter - what is quran,after all ? Is it a work of art like the plays of Shakespeare or the poetry of Wordswoth,Byron,Shelly,T.S.Eliot,etc.? Quran is giberish - utter nonsense and of no value to civilized and cultured society populated by humans,sane and intelligent human. Quran is the manual of a barbarian and a mad sex-maniac,a psychopath,a schizophrenic,a narcissistic and duplicitous idiot calling himself a "prophet"! Has Muhammad any moral standing of Jesus,Gandhi,or mother Teresa. Nay he was a lecherous and murderous maniac , a pedophile, a vengeful monster ,utterly intolerant of any criticism towards him. Yet we have a billion brain-dead zombies following him and trying to replicate his amorality, his behaviour and his savagery which is unparalelled in human history. Islam means death to sanity, freedom of speech, art, literature ,music, dance, drama, movies, etc. just as what the Taliban propogated in the iname of islam - subjugation and ill-treatment of women, murdering apostates of islam, murdering "kafirs" and robbing their property and enslaving their women and children, sexual perversion, rape, plunder, fornicate, etc. That is islam for you. That is Quranic bullshit and Muhammad's perversion for you . It is stupid to say no one can imitate quran ,which is sheer trash. Can anyone imitate novelists like Robin Cook, Agatha Christie, P.G. Wodehouse, Dan Brown, John Grisham, Michael Crichton,etc. Can anyone write like them, leave alone Shakespeare, Milton, Dickens, Jane Austen, George Eliot,etc. All these author have written great literature ,far greater than your quran which is bullshit and of no real good value. So Akhter your bluff about not being able to write like quran is pathetic to say the least. Even the language and tenor of the quran is primitive ,totally unsophisticated ,exposing Allah/Gabriel? Muhammad's insufficiency, poor language and lack of profundity and spirituality. Take that quran and you know where to shove it!!! 


Name: AKHTER
Date: Saturday April 19, 2008
Time: 05:20:09 -0700
 

Comment 

WHO EVER YOU ARE, CONTROL YOUR TREMBLING MAN , AND GIVE US FOUR LINES, THAT IS ALL. 


Name: joe to akhter
Date: Saturday April 19, 2008
Time: 05:22:05 -0700
 

Comment 

This is merely circular logic with mo empirical base in reality. Your "scriptures" say that Mohamhead "wrote" the Koran from Allah's "dictation." There is no independent verification of this claim; therefore, it cannot be proven that the Koran is the "literal word of God"- (a preposterous claim anyway). Mo was not a prophet at all.(Where and what are his prophecies?). He merely CLAIMED to have produced a miracle in the form of (scattered) writings, later gathered together by subsequent clerics and edited into what scholars now believe to have been between seven to twelve differing editions of this sex and-violence-obsessed cult manual known as the Koran. These contradictory editions were later reduced to the one we know today, so it is not a pure, unadulterated document. Please reclaim the faculty of reason that was given to you at birth but stolen from you in your formative years. 


Name:
Date: Saturday April 19, 2008
Time: 05:39:32 -0700
 

Comment 

Heh Akhter! Write four lines,heh? Write giving licence to Muhamad to loot, pillage,rape ,rape children,fornicate, cut throats ,stab in the back,....How can any civilized man write all this crap and bullshit?! Anyway here's a try :- " And take tehir women captives . Allah shall delight in thee if you tilth them at will! Lo ! All shall give thee thy seventy two hurs!" ( Hhahahahahahahaha!) Take that you pinhead! 


Name: Platypus
Date: Saturday April 19, 2008
Time: 05:40:08 -0700
 

Comment 

A Piss Mohammed portrait dipped in the artist's urine? Would probably piss off the whole muslim community and start the 3rd world war! Try camel piss! 


Name:
Date: Saturday April 19, 2008
Time: 05:50:05 -0700
 

Comment 

Hey Akhter I am not trembling. It is you who is trembling in utter rage at being exposed! Write four lines like quran? Any 'C' grade writer could do it. I am not a writer by profession , yet I will give it a shot :- " Lo believers ! Kill the kafirs and mushriques wherever you may find them and paradise is waiting for you in the hereafter! Take their women and children slaves! Sell them! Smite the Kaffir's neck and on judgement day Allah promiseth paradise 72 houris and 28 cherubic boys that you can rape for all eternity!" Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha! I must say ,not abad copy ,heh! This kind gibberish that quran dishes out apart from stealing tales from the Bible does not require any great intelligence,let alone morality and and spirituality ,which is far beyond the reach of islamic ethos!  


Name: Platypus
Date: Saturday April 19, 2008
Time: 06:11:32 -0700
 

Comment 

Balam: "...but God raised Him from the dead,which is a historical fact". Historical fact? Come on! The koran AND THE BIBLE are books of legends and superstitions copied from other so called "sacred" writings of ancient times. History does not recognize these writings as historical evidence, but as mythological entertainment. And that's were most religions come from anyway. Read history man instead of "sacred writings".  


Name: akhter
Date: Saturday April 19, 2008
Time: 07:40:42 -0700
 

Comment 

i asked not the usual garbage which can be found all over this website , but for the four lines, i know what your opinions are regarding Islam and Allah and Mohammad,come on man humiliate the Muslims by just writing in four lines the challenge is still standing!!!! 


Name: Peter
Date: Saturday April 19, 2008
Time: 07:46:06 -0700
 

Comment 

Hi Akhter, my name is Peter, from USA,sir i have to hand it to you,wheather these people have tried or not i just could not come any way near to that of the Quran.With humblness, i sir submit. God bless you for opening my heart. 


Name: Allat
Date: Saturday April 19, 2008
Time: 08:43:47 -0700
 

Comment 

Peter, I'm not surprised that you, a man, chimed in, becuse islam is tailored EXACTLY for a man. In a cult such as that, males have everything to gain. So, of course, "your heart has been opened." According to the koran, "Women are the tilth of men" - "women are worth 1/2 of men," - " pillage the non-believers and take their women." - "men are allowed to beat their women"- WELL! That is a man's paradise!__________ Akhter,You - say, "lines or in any form the description of the word monotheism, and so the challenge still remain,and i know it will remain till the end,that is why the Quran is indeed the living miracle of GREATEST prophet MOHAMMAD. PBUH. You have been warned!!! "______________Why challenge? Are you so eager for battle? It seemes to be ingrained in moslems to go out and hit others. It is the usual, in any contest, for the challenger to give the 1st example of the challenge, the 1st words.________Monotheism:-- The Old Testament is chock full of a group of ET's with advanced technology, a humanoid type, these found the Earth, landed, colonized. --THe humanoids already here,DID NOT NEED A SINGLE "god" - they KNEW - THE "GOD" - directly, for everything IS GOD - there is ONLY GOD- NOTHING ELSE in existence; EVERYTHING IS THE GOD; the humanoids therefore, were aware of this in their very Being. -- The ETs wanted servants, and the humanoids, being compatible to the ETs, were genetically changed, downgraded, consider the ETs as god, to bow, down and worship them ONLY; these new humans, a particular tribe of "Cro-Magnons, "The Chosen People," and were ruled with the jackboots by the ET Jehovah. --However, the ET power had waned by the time of Yeshua ben Joseph, and after; the ETs -still hanging around, wouldn't have that, they wanted control of humankind again, they sent an ET messenger, Gabriel - a false "angel"- to bring Humankind back into line; they picked on a poor, illiterate man, willing to gain power over his brethren; thus, the false "god, Jehovah, now renamed allah, and the koran.------------Addendum: False "god" - Only an insecure, greedy, psycho, i.e. psychotic being, needs to whip others into line. THE GOD who Created everything, OMNIPOTENT, never needs for IT's creation to bow down and worship It. THE GOD is Self-contained.  


Name: Allat
Date: Saturday April 19, 2008
Time: 09:44:00 -0700
 

Comment 

1-MONOTHEISM : 1- The Old Testament: is chockful of ETs: technologically advanced Bi-Pedal Beings who "From the Sky to Earth came". who colonized Earth; one trips over these ET's - their doings, and their technology in EVERY line. - Check it out! 2--On Earth, there were already, humanoids- for the spark of LIFE had already been given to them by THE GOD - these were aware of IT, in all their being, knowing everything is THE GOD - there is NOTHING else- they did not need to, and did not worship GOD- they KNEW themselves as part of IT, this is POLYTHEISM. 3 --The ETs needed servants; as humanoids were compatible with them, ETs downgraded these humanoids to serve them, worship them, particularly a tribe of Cro-Magnon, somewhere in Meso-Potamia, who called themselves the "Chosen People: the ETs handled the "Chosen People" with the jackboot, and in extension, everyother humanoid. 4-- By time of Yeshua ben Joseph, the ET power had waned - but they would have none of it - they tried to bring Humanity back into line with Yeshua ben Joseph, but HE rebelled and opted to side with Humanity, and bring forward the information about THE GOD. So the psycho ET, Jehovah, tried again, picking a poor, confused, illiterate man, mohamed; they sent an ET messenger, Gabriel, a false "angel" to him: thus, the koran and islam.------------Comment: what the koran contains is an encouragement to give in and practice every temptation and base emotion of the alter ego; every savagery. For to practice what Yeshua ben Joseph proclaims is hard work indeed: One has to be aware every single moment of what you do, and try to avoid it. The term, "Sin" is really from Archery. So, "To Sin," means: you've missed your mark -and have to do better.  


Name: AKHTER
Date: Saturday April 19, 2008
Time: 09:44:35 -0700
 

Comment 

Allot, what is happening to you brother? why can't you just make your comments a little shorter and to the point , you are so confusing ,going forward and backward, welcome brother Peter,let us say a little prayer for these faithless people, may Allah guide them to glory in the hereafter. 


Name: ZuK
Date: Saturday April 19, 2008
Time: 09:53:48 -0700
 

Comment 

Oh, I see, Akhter, it wasn't just about what other text can enunciate spiritual truths better than Al-qur'an... you wanted *SPECIFICALLY* a better enunciation of monotheism. Well, antimod gave you one in Sanskrit: "Ekam sad viprah bahuda vadanti." Unless, of course, you literally meant "four lines"... and then, you will claim that it has to be specifically Islamic type of monotheism, and that it has to be in Arabic, and basically, you'll end up trying to wrap us up in the net of circular reasoning you seem to dwell. No way, my friend. Why don't you give critical thinking a try? You may even enjoy it... in fact, I almost physically sense that you are BEGGING for change... you are SO close to give up Islam... just relax you anus, push a little harder, and let it go for good!  


Name: Allat
Date: Saturday April 19, 2008
Time: 10:07:57 -0700
 

Comment 

CHALLENGE TO DESCRIBE 'MONOTHEISM' IN 4 LINES __________________ In a contest, the challenger is usually the 1st one to present the example, to see whether others can do better. You seem to be looking for an answer, because you do NOT know the answer.______________ 4 Lines, eh? Here it is._____________MONOTHEISM: 1- In the Old Testament, adhered to in the West, the worship of only ONE God. Humanoids already existing on Earth, who KNEW "THE GOD" in everything, as a plurality, were downgraded by the ETs, enslaved to worship only the ETs, as ONE entity, giving rise to religions, who self-styled themselves as "Monotheism." ___________Please, People, go right ahead and join.  


Name:
Date: Saturday April 19, 2008
Time: 11:13:55 -0700
 

Comment 

this is for Alimgheer [ fake name] the author above ,it is your duty now to come up with an answer to the challange i know you like writing crap in length , no please no , just four lines to defeat Mohammad. 


Name: Allat
Date: Saturday April 19, 2008
Time: 12:05:01 -0700
 

Comment 

Akhter: No, I'm A-l-l-a-t. I'm a sister!______As to my description of Monotheism: What! You can't read, and decipher, bro?______You can't see that I wrote in linear time? From the beginning of Genesis to cover the 7th century? Or is it that yu just DON"T want to see? How much simpler, bro? Read it again, s-l-o-w-l-y. __But to make it easier, I worked on it and DID write in in 4 sentences.  


Name: Mohammad
Date: Saturday April 19, 2008
Time: 12:19:34 -0700
 

Comment 

How about the freedom of expression of the European scholars who happen to disagree with the 6 million figure of dead Jews during WWII? The champions who fought for freedom of expression never thought of insulting as an expression. Such boundless wild expressions can lead to chaos. For example nobody should be allowed to make racist comments because it can lead to bloodshed even in the west. It is naive to think that freedom of expression means freedom to say anything you want. People are being jailed for inciting terrorism while all they did was to express their opinions regarding fighting the non-believers. This is justified because their 'expression' could lead to 'action'. Similarly you insulting what is holy to 1.5 billion people around the world 'will' lead to violent actions. You cannot distance yourself from the inevitable consequences of your 'expression' the same way that a british extremist mullah cannot distance himself from the consequences of his comments. 


Name: akhter
Date: Saturday April 19, 2008
Time: 12:55:19 -0700
 

Comment 

And so it continues started 1500 years ago and still standing, like they say if cant beat them join them..... 


Name: To; above comment
Date: Saturday April 19, 2008
Time: 13:10:52 -0700
 

Comment 

If the muslims believed in the true God instead of 'allah' there would be no 'violent actions' because of supposed 'insults'. Their violence is not justified, and therefore noone should feel obliged to be silent or bow down to their demands.  


Name: agnostic
Date: Saturday April 19, 2008
Time: 14:23:19 -0700
 

Comment 

As usual, as always, you AKHTER join the long long line of COWARDS. But then your sex maniac allah and his best of men are nothing but like him, hopeless, helpless, useless. Can't face the truth? Can't defend your filthy cult? Can't defend your allah? PATHETIC!--- We non muslims have won, long ago. IT IS YOU AND YOUR MURDEROUS BRETHREN WHO WILL BE SLAUGHTERED. Your ancestor Abraham's god promised that, even as he CURSED your forefather Ishamael. Like Ishmael, you too are CURSED. We see it daily. We wish it to be faster and in huge numbers. So PREPARE TO BE SLAUGHTERED, SCUM.  


Name: akhter
Date: Saturday April 19, 2008
Time: 14:55:58 -0700
 

Comment 

Dear Agnostic, boy you have hate in your blood , only a coward can throw insults and rudness sitting far away,i do not fear any one expect Allah, death is must and we the muslims never fear it, you i know for a fact can not stand in front of a muslim and even look into his eyes, you are indeed gutless, and will remain so. 


Name: akhter
Date: Saturday April 19, 2008
Time: 14:59:36 -0700
 

Comment 

sorry i forgot ,Agnostic still need to remind you about the challange. 


Name: ZuK
Date: Saturday April 19, 2008
Time: 20:36:21 -0700
 

Comment 

Hey, Akhter... what say you about the already proposed literary alternatives to Qur'an? And, BTW, if there is a challenge, there is a challenger (let's say, you), there are the challenged ones (all the rest of the brain-using people in this forum)... and a NEUTRAL JUDGE. Where is the neutral judge? All I see is you playing both the foam-spitting challenger AND the unsatisfyable judge. Why don't you tell us, Akhter habibbi, who the impartial judge is? Besides the fact that you brought in the challenge, I don't sense that you have the education and the credentials to qualify be the judge (and scarcely the ones needed to be the challenger). That having been said, would you just, out of mercy for a dirty kafir like me, tell me ON WHICH GROUNDS you, in your uncalled role of judge of this challenge, dismissed the proposed alternatives? Shukran. Ma'a salaam. 


Name: suhe
Date: Saturday April 19, 2008
Time: 21:21:59 -0700
 

Comment 

nice akhter!! i like your challenge. to any monotheis just write 4-6 line that best describe god. to poly just write that best describe your gods. to agnostic just write anything that best describe the most powerfull force in universe. the judge? let the reader be judge. just sent in here. you can copy from other source too. remember, make it short people and be as gracefull as possible...............we are talking THE MOST HOLY FORCE IN UNIVESE here. so no swearing and bad talk ok!  


Name:
Date: Saturday April 19, 2008
Time: 23:03:58 -0700
 

Comment 

Hey Akhter, quran is garbage. It has tales fro the Bible totally distorted ,written in a primitive language - mind the language of Allah/Muhamud? Gabriel? lacks refinement or sophistication of the great ancient classical languages like Latin, Greek or Sanskrit, which is several millennia older than the language of quran which is the Arabic of the barbarian bedouins of the Arabian peninsula. What civilisation they have produced comparable to the Ancient Sumerians, Babylonians, Egyptians, Greeks, Minoans, Trojans, Indians, Chinese, Mayans,etc. Nothing whatsoever. Just the barbarbaric babble of quran and total destruction of great civilisations to impose the barbaric and uncouth cult of the bedouin arabs - a veritable path of destruction , intolerance, ignorance and dark superstitions all contributing to human misery, lack of free thinking, no liberty and tortuos existence that you find in islamic countries such as Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Sudan, Ethiopia, Nigeria, Libya, Palestine, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Indonesia, etc ,whereever islam and the barbarian 'Sharia' persists. You talk of not being able to replicate lines such as in quran, which I did successfully, though you will not admit it for fear of being humiliated or the acceptance of which will cost you your life ,since islam requires the lamest reason to maim or murder a human being on the pretext of "blasphemy". And blasphemy is a concept devised by tyrannical mullahs/imams/padres/bishops, etc. to suppress freedom of expression/thought and to subjugate and enslave people to their rotten will. This is not religion or spirituality. True spirituality never stifles individual freedom to explore on ones own the philosophy of life and existence and to negate and reject any irrational and inane thinking- even if it were to question the exitence of an omnipotent creature called"God". Quran is just regimentation in the name of Allah , who is just a proxy for the real power-centre 'Muhamad'. Muhamad is long dead and gone , I don't see any reason why sane and reasonable and civilised people should stiil be a slave to such primitive garbage ,unless Muhamad and his quran/Allah? is serving as a proxy to the new power hungry politicians (in the garb of religious leaders, like mullahs, ayatollas, imams, muftis, popes, bishops,etc) would like to enjoy in the name of religion unlimited power,pelf and unrestricted priveleges over the general populace. This is not religion or spirituality but sheer corruption and immorality, like the saying "power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely". The quran is just a tool in the hands of these unscrupulous scoundrels and blackguards, and why not? , for after all the quran is nothing more than a political manual like the communist manifesto donnong the garb of "religion" ,maybe blatantly harsher! There is nothing original in quran to crow about. It is a sure recipe for destruction of civilisations to usher in arabaian barbarism in the form of hadiths, sharia, quran,etc.  


Name: The Atheist
Date: Saturday April 19, 2008
Time: 23:23:22 -0700
 

Comment 

Is it ok if I just skip this bullshit "challenge" on the grounds that: 1. I couldn't give a rat's arse about theism of any description, mono, or otherwise (especially islam). 2. I have better things to do (such as studying useful things thereby making myself a better person). No offence akhter, I just don't care.  


Name: jo
Date: Sunday April 20, 2008
Time: 00:37:15 -0700
 

Comment 

Blowing things up amd killing people seems to be the way to go. Once you do that, you become the "religion of peace", and are beyond any criticism. Our politicans really need to get a grip and do some simple research before braying like sheep about a "religion" about which they currently know nothing. 


Name: Brad
Date: Sunday April 20, 2008
Time: 02:35:36 -0700
 

Comment 

I wouldn't trust the UN to do the right thing. In fact, if it's the right thing to do, the UN will do the opposite. They'll bow down before the Islamists in the name of multiculturism (and because they simply fear the Islamists). It'll be left to what few European countries are left with a pair of balls, America, and Australia to carry the ball for the Western world.  


Name: akhter
Date: Sunday April 20, 2008
Time: 04:00:58 -0700
 

Comment 

May i remind every one ,todays article is about the last revelation of Allah the Quran,since no one managed to beat the challange here, it will continue there. 


Name:
Date: Sunday April 20, 2008
Time: 07:11:56 -0700
 

Comment 

Hey Akhter, I have met your dumb challenge and I have bettered the lines of quran. The quran is not even grammatically sound, absolutely incoherent garbage not fit for any sane human's consumption. It does not have any spiritual value as it is just inane dogma filled with virulent hatred towards freedom and free thinking. I have already brought to your notice that it is responsible for destruction of great civilisations in Iran (Persian culture),Iraq (Sumerian and Babylonian culture), Egypt (the Egyptian culture), Turkey (Anatolian civilisation and culture), etc and usher in arabian barbarism through islam with its quran, hadiths, sunna, sharia, and whatnot! You see the conditions of these countries today compared to its glorious ancient culture and their rich culture and heritage. What do you have in Saudi Arabia, except suppression of women (women cannot drive a car, cannot venture anywhere alone without the risk of getting raped), oppressive and barbaric sharia law and generally a miserable existence fraught with uncertainty to life and total lack of freedom of speech for even a slight suspicion can attract blasphemy and consequently one can forfeit their life or limbs! And yet you go happily chirping about challenging anyone to imitate the lines in quran! You certainly represent the typical brain-dead muslim bereft of the faculty to see reason or sanity - a typical zealot frothing at the mouth willing to decimate anyone questioning your faith, if you can lay your scrawny hands on that person - the stereotypes found in any islamic country/society. You should also remember that oil-rich islamic countries like Saudi Arabia still depend on non-muslim countries to build their economy for these assholes have barely enough time to do their ass-up five times a day (namaz) and plotting destruction of 'kaffir' nations! You cannot obfuscate ,trying to hide these hard facts about the insanity and backwardness of islam. 


Name: ZuK
Date: Sunday April 20, 2008
Time: 07:22:46 -0700
 

Comment 

Ok, then if the reader is the judge, I, as a reader, conclude that the Qur'an as a literary, philosophical, religious and spiritual work is beaten by suspense prose by A. Christie, poetry and playwrites by Shakespeare, G. Khalil Gibran and R. Tagore, the laconic aphorisms of Lao Zi's "Dao De Qing" and the Rg Veda, not to speak about Leon Tolstoi's philosophical prose and Ch. Dickens' beatiful moral tales. Thank you for reading. Bye. 


Name: ZuK
Date: Sunday April 20, 2008
Time: 07:27:02 -0700
 

Comment 

Oh, sorry, I forgot the Upanishads (particularly the oldest!) and Yoga Sutras by Patanjali, the wild beauty of Popl Vuh, the book of the creation by the Mayas, and many a passage from Bardo Thodol, the Tibetan book of the dead, also many a passage from the Egyptian book of the dead. Should I add the most dramatical parts of Gilgamesh Sumerian poem? (like, let's say, the depiction of the horrors of immortality, or Enkidu's journey outside the Earth)... my God, only an almost COMPLETE ILLITERATE could state that the Qur'an is in any respect unbeatable!!!!!! 


Name: Allat
Date: Sunday April 20, 2008
Time: 08:14:47 -0700
 

Comment 

akhter Date: Sunday April 20, 2008 Time: 04:00:58 -0700 Comment "May i remind every one ,todays article is about the last revelation of Allah the Quran,since no one managed to beat the challange here, it will continue there."----------------And who judges, you? Th same person that challenged? And let me remind you that you haven't come up with YOUR own interpretation___________Anyway, islma isn't the last revealed religion-------The last Prophet" was Joseph Smith and the latest, The Latter Day Saints/Mormons.____Who the ET Moroni, the false "angel" appeared to. And it turned out THEN AND TODAY, a religion JUST like islam= worthless, a pain in the neck, and a problem for evolved society/culture. JUST look at the problems of those people in that isolated community. NOW the State has to spend TAX-FUND to try to unriddle the problems. With all the other lacks of the country, we have to have money spent unnecessarily....because their way of life is obviously, NOT valid...and thekiddles now have to have DNA tests to see who the mothers are. 


Name: Allat
Date: Sunday April 20, 2008
Time: 08:23:46 -0700
 

Comment 

Is it ok if I just skip this bullshit "challenge" on the grounds that: 1. I couldn't give a rat's arse about theism of any description, mono, or otherwise (especially islam). 2. I have better things to do (such as studying useful things thereby making myself a better person). No offence akhter, I just don't care. ---------------------------- That's ok with me! Pat Condell is very down to earth and funny, right in re. to islam: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=HhN6CG1zCRc&feature=related  


Name: Akthers challenge is wrong
Date: Sunday April 20, 2008
Time: 09:49:02 -0700
 

Comment 

It´s not we who must produce anything to give evidence for anything. It´s akther who has to give evidence that there is anything special with his quran verses. I think there is nothing special at all. There is no evidence wether mohammad was illiterate or not. Moreover, it is widely accepted that he worked together with two writers who supported him. Then he had full 23 years of time to get the quran written. There are authors who write more than the quran every year. Last but not least the quran contains many errors like internal errors by contradicting itself (a good author would never do this), logical errors, contradictions with history, science and common sense. The style is not great, it is swanky, sometimes even vulgar. No, it´s the muslims who are asked to give evidence that the quran comes from god!!! Not the opposite!!! So, akther, where is the evidence???  


Name: Allat
Date: Sunday April 20, 2008
Time: 12:09:36 -0700
 

Comment 

"It´s not we who must produce anything to give evidence for anything" ------------This guy is right! I just love this...And to all the akhkers, here's Pat Condell anwering you, islamics:___________-------------..........http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=h7iBoq_yC4k&feature=related 


Name: aracknid
Date: Sunday April 20, 2008
Time: 12:09:38 -0700
 

Comment 

AKHTER, you twat, listen to me. The guy above me has the right idea. It is for YOU to prove that Mohammed was a prophet, not for us to prove that he wasn't. So come on.... WHERE IS YOUR PROOF? You haven't got any, have you? Never had and never will. 


Name: akhter
Date: Sunday April 20, 2008
Time: 13:19:02 -0700
 

Comment 

Hello Arckind, or daft kind who ever you are,Quran is his living proof that Mohammad was ,is and will be the last prophet,and the other proof is that you dumm heads still have not managed the challange. 


Name: venividivici
Date: Sunday April 20, 2008
Time: 13:56:21 -0700
 

Comment 

Akter, Read Parmenides on the oneness of Being. Same thing as expressed in Islam, without all the blood and guts added. Then, read the subsequent history of Western philosophy on the various critiques of the Parmenidean idea of the oneness of Being. Then, get down on your knees and thank me for informing you of the great big world of thinking outside of the mental slavery of Islam. You're welcome, in advance. The problem is, you will never admit that anything is greater than Mohammed's "four lines", so the point is moot. That said, I'll take Parmenides over Mohammed in a heartbeat. 


Name: agnostic
Date: Sunday April 20, 2008
Time: 14:35:10 -0700
 

Comment 

Something happened. First msg not published. Reposting got garbled. Gist of the msg to AKHTER which was not published is : Akhter, you filthy swine (perfectly OK to use the most vile words on muslims when our ear drums are battered by the vitrolic venom from raging PARASITE imams ) you have not replied to my posting. Too brain-damaged to defend the INDEFENSIBLE? Can't accept your sex maniac allah and your 'miracle' quran contains so many errors and contradictions? /////To your "only a coward can throw insults and rudness sitting far away," unquote, ....I wait for the day when WORLD WAR III/CIVIL WAR starts. And if I have you in my sights rest assured I'll aim for your kneecaps, bathe you in pig's blood and entrails, then burn you. Or shackle you to a dead pig and leave you to die slowly in ecsatsy as maggots from the pig invades you. Whichever way scum, you are CURSED even as your forefather Ishamael was CURSED and you will be slaughtered by your ancestor Abraham's god. You wanna fight, let's out. ////////I hope this gets published. Tks editors. 


Name: Akhter
Date: Sunday April 20, 2008
Time: 15:02:16 -0700
 

Comment 

Agnostic ,my dearest friend i love you, i can but will not be at same level as you were in your comment, i will remind you one needs guts to look into the eyes of a muslim, and you are gutless, i love Allah's creation, which includes pigs, are you happy now? peace. 


Name: agnostic
Date: Sunday April 20, 2008
Time: 15:05:56 -0700
 

Comment 

My fellow non muslims, islam is for those who have been successfully brainwashed not to question the illogic of Islam, but to be unthinking obedient morons of their sex maniac allah. This also explains their behavior to justify, assist, fund, accommodate and perpetuate terrorism as per blood thirsty allah’s dictates in the quran. allah's stupidity is PROFOUND. Consider: 2:22 – “allah who hath appointed earth a resting-place for you, and the sky a canopy; and causeth water to pour down from the Sky. Questions on this very stupid sura: a) a) Does the earth rest in its orbit? Where, when, how and why? Can muslims explain? b) Isn’t the sky just space and not a canopy? c) Doesn’t water pour from the clouds, rather than from the sky? Is allah saying the earth gets tired of orbiting/rotating and so it needs to rest? If so why did allah make so many silly mistakes, just in one sura? Or did allah find more fun making virgins to be deflowered eternally?//// In sura 2:41 – allah says, “And believe in that which I reveal, confirming that which ye possess already (of the Scripture {Bible}), and be not first to disbelieve therein, and part not with my revelations with a trifling price, and keep your duty unto me.” The arabs asked MO for a holy "book that we can read 17.93 but were REFUSED. So, how could they part with what they never had? If allah claims to have given the scripture to the Jews/Christians; then why didn’t Allah also give it to the arabs when they requested? Why this discrimination against the arabs? So with what authorityand right are arabs today hankering for Arab hegemony? For arabisation of the world? /////Do we blame muslims for being vacuum mind zombies? What is the CAUSE of their acute, irreparable, irredeemable, irrevocable STUPIDITY? Their from hell bon.m?wb


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