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Muhammad is Still Greater Than Allah

02 Jul, 2008

I had written about Muhammad placing service to himself above that of Allah. Since then one of the main objections raised against my argument was the argument #2, which I had briefly dealt with in my original paper. Probably, certain muslims find my response to this line of defense inadequate. I intend to respond to this defense that certain muslims came up in the FFI forum and one certain muslim with whom I had a long exchange over mail.

The defense is that, Surah Al-Fatiha, is one of the most important Surah of the Quran. They contend that according to the most authentic collection of Sunnah of their prophet, one’s prayer becomes invalid if he/she doesn’t recite Al-Fatiha [1, 2]. Muslims reckon it one of the most virtuous Surahs of the Quran, that it was called Umm Al-Qur'an meaning "the mother of the Qur'an". So Muhammad was right in interrupting, as Ubayy’s prayer would have been invalid.

There are several problems with the line of defense, apart from what I had already mentioned in my original paper.

Firstly, anyone reading the narrations without an assumption that Muhammad is the prophet of Allah and hence he wouldn’t place himself above his god can see that Muhammad was angry at Ubayy not answering him as soon as he called him, and not because he was praying the wrong way.

Muhammad didn’t even know why Ubayy hadn’t responded to him as soon as he called him, he had to ask him.

…Abu Hurayrah said, "The Messenger of Allah went out while Ubayy bin Ka'b was praying and said, (O Ubayy!) Ubayy did not answer him. The Prophet said, (O Ubayy!) Ubayy prayed faster then went to the Messenger of Allah saying, 'Peace be unto you, O Messenger of Allah!' He said, (Peace be unto you. O Ubayy, what prevented you from answering me when I called you) He said, 'O Messenger of Allah! I was praying.'… [Hadith recorded by Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal, via Tafsir Ibn Kathir]

So, to say Muhammad’s intention was to correct Ubayy goes beyond the reading, as Muhammad wasn’t even aware of what Ubayy was doing. Moreover after knowing the reason Muhammad reprimands him for not responding to him, and not for praying the wrong way. And as result of this entire melee he even forgets about his promise to tell about Al-Fathia!

Secondly, the defense works under the assumption Ubayy didn’t know the right way to pray. So, how could he be held accountable for ignorance or something beyond his capacity? Didn’t Muhammad himself say the religion (Islam) is easy and one shouldn’t overburden himself?

XXVIII: On the deen (religion) being easy

And the words of the Prophet, "The deen which Allah loves the most is the tolerant Hanifiyya [natural unitary belief and correct behaviour] one."

39. It is related from Abu Hurayra that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "The deen is easy. Whoever makes the deen too hard for himself will be overpowered, so direct yourselves to what is right, follow a middle course, accept the good news of the reward for right action, and seek help [to reach your goal by being constant in worshipping] in the morning, evening and some of the night." [Aisha Bewley, The Sahih Collection of al-Bukhari, The Book of Faith (Iman)]

Moreover, Islamic scholars are of the view that it is acceptable if one can’t recite Al-Fathia due to one being new to Islam or hasn’t learned it yet.

…If one can't recite Al-Faatihah because one can't perfect it due to certain reasons, but knows other verses, one would then recite about seven verses instead. However, if one could not learn Al-Faatihah quickly enough to pray - like the very newcomers to Al-Islaam - one may recite, according to the Hadeeth by Rifaa'ah bin Raafi'e (r.'a.):

Subhaanallah Glory be to Allah

Wal hamdulillah And praise be to Allah

Wa laa ilaaha illallaah And there is no deity but

Wallaahu Akbar. Allah, Allah is Greatest….

[Prescribed Prayer Made Simple, Chapter Two by Sheikh Tajuddin B. Shu`aib's]

If one is defending Muhammad’s actions by claiming Ubayy didn’t know Al-Fathia, it falls short of the mark since Islamic scholars pass off a prayer without Al-Fathia under certain circumstances. Also, this is the view after the revelation of Al-Fathia, does is it mean that Muslims didn’t pray before Al-Fathia was revealed? Or does it mean all prayers of Muslims including that of Muhammad was invalid before Al-Fathia was revealed? If no, how could anyone claim Muhammad didn’t do any wrong by rebuking Ubayy even after he said he was praying.

What is even more interesting is Islamic literature shows Muhammad contradicting himself, by condoning a certain muslim who didn’t recite Al-Fathia!

Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:

A man heard another man reciting (Surat-Al-Ikhlas) 'Say He is Allah, (the) One.' (112.1) repeatedly. The next morning he came to Allah's Apostle and informed him about it as if he thought that it WAS NOT ENOUGH to recite. On that Allah's Apostle said, "By Him in Whose Hand my life is, this Surah is equal to one-third of the Qur'an!"

Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: My brother, Qatada bin An-Nau'man said, "A man performed the night prayer late at night in the lifetime of the Prophet and he read: 'Say: He is Allah, (the) One,' (112.1) and read NOTHING besides that. The next morning a man went to the Prophet ,~ and told him about that. (The Prophet replied the same as (in Hadith 532) above.) [Sahih al-Bukhari, 6.61.533-534]

And another online version has this to say on the veracity of these narrations from Sahih al-Bukhari considered to be one of the most authentic Sunnah:

The isnad contains 'Amra from 'A'isha from the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace ...

…It is related mursal from Ibrahim, and with an isnad from ad-Dahhak al-Mashriqi. [Aisha Bewley, The Sahih Collection of al-Bukhari, 4726 – 4727]

Here we have Muhammad instead of rendering his prayer invalid goes on to condone it by claiming it is equivalent to 1/3rd of the Quran. Note how the man who complained thought it was insufficient and rightly so [see Sahih al-Bukhari 1.12.739 and also Sahih Muslim 004.0779-80] and hence he asks Muhammad about it. Yet, Muhammad condones it!

Moreover, one can’t try to reconcile these hadiths by arguing that this was before Al-Fathia, since the verse recited by the muslim was from Surah Al-Ikhlaas, which was the revealed much later than Surah Al-Fathia (Al-Ikhlaas is placed 22nd in the chronological order as opposed to Al-Fathia which is place 5th see here & here).

Finally, the defense rests on the notion that Muhammad was correcting Ubayy. Here is the whole of the incident as quoted by Ibn Kathir, along with the parts I left in my original paper:

… Abu Hurayrah said, "The Messenger of Allah went out while Ubayy bin Ka`b was praying and said, (O Ubayy!) Ubayy did not answer him. The Prophet said, (O Ubayy!) Ubayy prayed faster then went to the Messenger of Allah saying, `Peace be unto you, O Messenger of Allah!' He said, (Peace be unto you. O Ubayy, what prevented you from answering me when I called you) He said, `O Messenger of Allah! I was praying.' He said, (Did you not read among what Allah has sent down to me,)

(Answer Allah (by obeying Him) and (His) Messenger when he () calls you to that which gives you life) He said, `Yes, O Messenger of Allah! I will not do it again.' the Prophet said,

(Would you like me to teach you a Surah the likes of which nothing has been revealed in the Tawrah, the Injil, the Zabur (Psalms) or the Furqan (the Qur'an)) He said, `Yes, O Messenger of Allah!' The Messenger of Allah said, (I hope that I will not leave through this door until you have learned it.) He (Ka`b) said, `The Messenger of Allah held my hand while speaking to me. Meanwhile I was slowing down fearing that he might reach the door before he finished his conversation. When we came close to the door, I said: O Messenger of Allah ! What is the Surah that you have promised to teach me' He said, (What do you read in the prayer.) Ubayy said, 'So I recited Umm Al-Qur'an to him.' He said,

(By Him in Whose Hand is my soul! Allah has never revealed in the Tawrah, the Injil, the Zabur or the Furqan a Surah like it. It is the seven repeated verses that I was given.)'' … [Hadith recorded by Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal, via Tafsir Ibn Kathir]

Ubayy knew Al-Fathia! He recited Al-Fathia to Muhammad when he asked what he used to read in the prayer! The entire defense based on Ubayy not praying the right way falls flat! But the hadith talks about Muhammad, wanting to teach Al-Fathia to Ubayy, something Ubayy already seems to know, which leaves us with two possibilities. One, Muhammad simply wasn’t aware of the fact that Ubayy knew it, which wouldn’t save Muhammad of his blasphemous act, either, because of the reasons mentioned above (since Ubayy’s ignorance of Al-Fathia wouldn’t automatically make his prayer any less valid and moreover, Muhammad’s anger seems to stem from the fact Ubayy ignored him, and not Ubayy was praying the wrong way – note how Muhammad in spite of promising by Allah’s name, almost forgets it and needs to be reminded – something unexpected if his sole cause of his outburst was Ubayy praying the wrong way!). Two, the narrators didn’t convey what they intended to - probably it was intended to mean Muhammad wanted to inform about the best surah in the quran and not teach it. It is probably so, since Ibn Kathir quotes a Hadith on a similar instance where Muhammad wants to inform about the best Surah and not teach it.

…Ibn Jabir said, "I went to the Messenger of Allah after he had poured water (for purification) and said, `Peace be unto you, O Messenger of Allah!' He did not answer me. So I said again, `Peace be unto you, O Messenger of Allah!' Again, he did not answer me, so I said again, `Peace be unto you, O Messenger of Allah!' Still he did not answer me. The Messenger of Allah went while I was following him, until he arrived at his residence. I went to the Masjid and sat there sad and depressed. The Messenger of Allah came out after he performed his purification and said, (Peace and Allah's mercy be unto you, peace and Allah's mercy be unto you, peace and Allah's mercy be unto you.) He then said, (O `Abdullah bin Jabir! Should I inform you of the best Surah in the Qur'an) I said, `Yes, O Messenger of Allah!' He said, (Read, `All praise be to Allah, the Lord of the existence,' until you finish it.)'' This Hadith has a good chain of narrators…. [Hadith recorded by Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal, via Tafsir Ibn Kathir]

Another fact that leads credence to this view is that, Muhammad in reply to Ubayy’s question about what Surah Muhammad was talking about, says “What do you read in the prayer”, which means Muhammad knew that Ubayy knows the Surah, he was talking about and he just needs to given the hint, which being the “Surah read in prayer”, remember, that Al-Fathia is the Surah recited in the prayer!

It is amply evident that Muhammad, conjures up Allah to manipulate people to do what he wants. But as soon as he realizes that his false God is revered more than himself, he comes out with verses demanding respect! Just as Muhammad’s young bride Aisha once said sarcastically on Muhammad’s revelations “I feel that your Lord hastens in fulfilling your wishes and desires”, & Allah obliges.

Name: ha ha ha ....
Date: Tuesday July 01, 2008
Time: 19:20:53 -0700

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Mohammad always used his Allah to legitimate all his deeds, and so stupid are people who still believe in him that he was a God's prophet. Mohammad is the reincarnation of Lucifer himself, disguised as a prophet. Islam brings bad influence to people. I think most Moslem are 'munafiquun'. See in Indonesia, all level in the government mostly held by Moslem, and corruptions occurred in every governmental area. But they acted as if they are the most holy people in the world. Seeing Islam in Indonesia, I came to a decision that ISLAM IS CORRUPTIONS!!!

Name: Beowulf
Date: Tuesday July 01, 2008
Time: 20:45:55 -0700

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Muhammad was a charlatan. He invented allah and this entire religion (islam) to compensate for his own feelings of inadequacy and his own feeling of insignificance. He used his religion to acquire power and acclaim for himself. Muhammad's behavior, the contradictions of his actions, his deplorable theology, and his hatred for people of other religions, his gluttony for fame and power, the fact that allah always happens to agree with Muhammad, are all clear manifestations of an over-reaching narcissism. The author here does an excellent job in pointing out one of those episodes of contradiction. But, the reader should know that the entire religion of islam is replete with these types of contradictions. Furthermore, this religion is full of the worst type of laws such as death for apostasy and other laws which utterly destroy freedom of speech and freedom to choose one's religion. Anyone, who does some research into the foundational texts of this religion will find that it is nothing more than the creation of a man and not a prophet.

Name: good article pls do more to expose truth
Date: Tuesday July 01, 2008
Time: 23:22:43 -0700

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i am an ex-mulsim from 1992 in india and this article is good.pls do mroe to expose islam and liberate thw world from judeo christianity islam.

Name:
Date: Wednesday July 02, 2008
Time: 00:19:22 -0700

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046 : 313 : Hadith 001 'Umar Radiyallahu 'Anhu says: ''Rasulullah Sallallahu 'Alayhi Wasallam said: 'Do not exceed in praising me as the Christians over-praised 'Esa 'Alayhis Salaam. (That they made him the son of God.) I am a bondsman of Allah, therefore, call me the bondsman of Allah and His Rasul'". Commentary Do not praise me in such a manner which is contrary to the bonds-manship of Allah where shirk (partnership) is created with Allah. A bondsman is a bondsman. Do not praise in such a manner that does not befit, and is contrary to the mission of a Rasul and Messenger of Allah.

Name: From X-muslim
Date: Wednesday July 02, 2008
Time: 00:23:59 -0700

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I became an apostate of Islam about an year ago. If any educated muslim reads this article, I am sure he/she will know that Mohammed was a hard-core lier. It is essential to expose more and more of his character to defeat Islam. Muslims are the victims of Islam. I have convinced many of my cousins abt this.

Name:
Date: Wednesday July 02, 2008
Time: 01:08:28 -0700

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"From X-muslim" is nothing but a Hindutva scum.

Name: Message to Raihan from Kisan
Date: Wednesday July 02, 2008
Time: 01:31:06 -0700

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Raihan you have posted around 8 comments in this thread. Your behaviour is very unhinged. You need to get some psychological help......

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Thanks Kisan for letting us know who this mole is?

I have deleted his unrelated materials.

MA Khan, editor.

Name: and another thing
Date: Wednesday July 02, 2008
Time: 02:28:31 -0700

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Of course another thing you see on the filthy faithfreedom.org site is the complete inability of fanatical moslems to defend their religion, to justify the actions of their false prophet, or to make any kind of sense of their beliefs. Moslems themselves condemn Islam out of their own mouths without knowing it.

Name: to: a coward who have no guts in displaying his name from: Abdul
Date: Wednesday July 02, 2008
Time: 02:31:03 -0700

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"046 : 313 : Hadith 001 'Umar Radiyallahu 'Anhu says: ''Rasulullah Sallallahu 'Alayhi Wasallam said: 'Do not exceed in praising me as the Christians over-praised 'Esa 'Alayhis Salaam. (That they made him the son of God.)" If you don't understand Christianity don't said anything about it. I'm sure you never read the Bible, only hear from your mullah. Your mullah also hadn't read it. FYI, Isa is not Jesus. If Allah so almighty, just enough says: "So be it". Allah can have a son without a wife, just with the "so be it" spell and then he has a son. If you say Allah cannot do that, then your Allah is not powerful or almighty.

Name: vbv
Date: Wednesday July 02, 2008
Time: 02:36:47 -0700

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Muhamad was always greater than Allah , who is just a fictional character created by Muhamad to justify all his misdeeds and crimes. You criticise Allah , the muslim zombies may be angered but not so much as criticising Muhamad when they fly into uncontrollable rage willing to inflict the most gruesome death on the perpetrater! This is a fact we see right before us today - a cartoon of Muhamad will invite and provoke uncontrolled rage asking for the blood of the cartoonist, while not so much for Allah, who is just a tool of Muhamad to justify Muhamad's child molestation, murders,pillaging and plundering!

Name:
Date: Wednesday July 02, 2008
Time: 02:39:45 -0700

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Rasulullah Sallallahu 'Alayhi Wasallam said: 'Do not exceed in praising me as the Christians over-praised 'Esa 'Alayhis Salaam. (That they made him the son of God.) WHY? BECAUSE IF PEOPLE STILL PRAISED JESUS (NOT ISA) AS THE SON OF GOD, WHAT COULD HE GAIN FROM THOSE PEOPLE? HE WANTED TO REPLACE JESUS, SO HE SAID FOOLISH THINGS ABOUT JESUS NOT CRUCIFIXED, ABOUT CORRUPTED GOSPELS ETC. THE 4 GOSPELS WERE WRITTEN AROUND YEAR 50 A.D., AT WHICH TIME MANY OF THE EYEWITNESSES OF THE CRUCIFIXATION OF JESUS WERE STILL ALIVE. THE DEAD SEA SCROLL ALSO A PROOF THAT JESUS WAS CRUCIFIXED. But it is useless to speak scientific matters with you Moslems. You are all to stupid to understand reality.

Name: balam to zaztan
Date: Wednesday July 02, 2008
Time: 07:27:31 -0700

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I feel sorry for your hurt feeling about the Muslims who have managed to escape the eternal prison called Islam,erected by Mohammad .Any body who is born in or walks in this prison is condemned for life.Mohammad used his forked toungue when he said:There is no compulsion in religion:Bu later on exposed the truth when he sanctioned death penality for apostacy.Could any body ever trust any word of that man unless you happen to be a true muslim with brain fully washed.If Islam is so confident then death penalty for apostacy shoud be repealed and blasphemy laws removed in muslim countries.You would soon find out how many muslims stay with this Cult called Islam.Before a candle goes out,it burns the brightest.Like wise this is the beginning of the end of Islam.It will be decimated from the face of this earth because the light always overcomes the darkness.

Name: Puny Mo
Date: Wednesday July 02, 2008
Time: 09:32:54 -0700

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Muhammad is Still Greater Than Allah Nice article but No, not true ...... Muhammad is allah, so how can muhammad be greater than himself ?

Name: Bullshit Worshipper :Regards to all knowledge worshipper past/present/future whose effort helped me realize DEV
Date: Wednesday July 02, 2008
Time: 09:35:21 -0700

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First let’s solve difference between Church & Science, Intelligent creation Vs Natural Selection debate. If we think deeply then there is no male in society at physical manifested level because whether we are male or female, all our physical body which we observe are knitted by the body of our female mother, role of male father is very subtle almost undetectable by normal senses. Similarly if we expand this concept to the whole Universe, then manifested universe, the physical energy which we can observe is the female part of the creation. If we are like an intelligent cell inside the body of this female, we can see star & planet formation, we can see natural selection at work in animal kingdom and human society and we can come to some conclusions like modern science. But what we don’t understand is that, our physical form is due to the female energy in manifested form, so the knowledge we have gained is the knowledge of formation of reproductive part of the female, its like knowledge of how egg formes in female body.

Name: Bullshit Worshipper
Date: Wednesday July 02, 2008
Time: 09:35:44 -0700

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But this egg of knowledge and whatever good or bad comes out of it will destroy the civilization, just like egg in female body is destroyed if it’s not fertilised. The outer element the un-manifested element, the unobserved and unnoticed by physical senses and undetectable by equipments, the intelligent representation of male or God thus manifest itself for a very short period in physical Universe to set it on process of meaningful formation, just like a sperm in body of female spark the egg with intelligence to form something meaningful like baby. So Yes natural selection is also correct and intelligent selection is also correct, the difference is because scientist are taking about the physical, the egg part which can be observed and church is taking about the male part, which cannot be observed which comes from no-where like a male element in female body and thus stops the egg from destroying itself and leading it to meaningful and sustainable creation.

Name: Bullshit Worshipper
Date: Wednesday July 02, 2008
Time: 09:36:05 -0700

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But if God is un-manifested and undefined then how can somebody define God and how can God take a physical form. God got a solution for this as well, if we visualize both male and female part of the Universe like a Giant inverse eye, like an almost infinite sphere containing an egg shape manifested universe in it and all of us like small points within this egg everywhere. So that means there should be a point at the centre of this sphere as well and doesn’t matter how infinite the sphere is, the point at the centre is concentric with it doesn’t matter, how small it is. So this central point is the God element, in cycle of life this can come to life just like any other point, because although it’s at the centre of creator but this centre also lies within physical manifested female Universe. So only the God point the centre of existence can define God and knows all about it and all creation as it is, because centre point is in perfect synchronisation with the infinite sphere, in which we all exist. If we are like books on different subjects in a library then manifested God is the dictionary/index which holds definition of all books and everything in the library.

Name: Bullshit Worshipper
Date: Wednesday July 02, 2008
Time: 09:36:32 -0700

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Struggle between light and darkness is the game which is evenly matched although its other story that God programme it for a happy ending. It’s hard for mentally challenged people to believe in any creative God, it takes brain power and they are too lazy to use it. For them Mohammed matured the concept of nothing (zero) as God, but at the same time Indian Mathematician like Bhaskra II matures the mathematics of zero. If be consider 0 as a value then 1/0 = ∞ looks to be mathematical absurdity, but what Bhaskra is talking about is not 0 as a value but he is talking about zero as No value, an experience of nothing, we all have experience of temporary zero every day when we are in deep sleep, when we are unaware of anything. While we were sleeping we were experiencing zero but our body and brain were still intact, so when we wake up, we again start correlating our self with our material identification like I am Christen or Hindu or whatever in our mind. For Muslim, Allah and his thugs have perfected the art of spiritual sleep, although in a wake up state their brain and senses are wake up, but they are still kind of sleep walking, where experiences of their soul is zero/nothing. This way the animal in them can be fully taken out, because animals have very little spiritual experiences if any. But then Allah don’t understand that he cannot be infinity, because mathematics says that 0/0 = 0, only Dev/Allah = God because Something/Nothing = Everything. An imagination or thought in complete Zero or nothing is enough to become infinity. Although thought may not be physical but it’s also not zero, the thought of TRUE INNOCENT LOVE, mental physical and spiritual between male and female energy which binds the universe together.

Name: Bullshit Worshipper
Date: Wednesday July 02, 2008
Time: 09:36:52 -0700

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If we consider this from physics point of view, then absolute zero is always outside in the expanding Universe. If there is a spinning sphere in absolute zero then it got no external resistance to expand, so it can expand as a sphere and thus direct reaction to expansion centripetal force from all directions start forming matter, as this sphere is spinning as well, so matter formed at poles experience less centrifugal force than matter formed at equator thus the manifested universe becomes like an egg. As the Outer Sphere keep on expanding and thus losing spin, this spin appears on matter formed inside, thus everything in the universe from electrons to planets are spinning. Once outer sphere completely loose spin, the female manifested Universe also become spherical and with Oneness with Outer God Sphere and both loose their existence, because anything exist due to its spin. All matter formed inside get exposed to external Zero and their combined spin is not enough to balance them from falling towards the centre, because some energy have gone in their formation as well, negative of which is empty space between them. Just like if you fill a sphere completely with marbles, then integral volume of the marbles will be smaller than volume of the sphere because some space has been lost in arranging the individuality or shape of the marbles. So everything fall to centre until there is nothing left outside and once again if absolute zero is outside, male and female energies at the centre get differentiated as sphere and egg and start the game of creation again.

Name: Bullshit Worshipper
Date: Wednesday July 02, 2008
Time: 09:37:13 -0700

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It’s already established by theory of origin that life comes into existence due to amino acids, light and water coming together. But life is about conscious energy, so at least one of these should have potential for being conscious, because if conscious just appear and disappear it does not follow rule that energy cannot be destroyed or created but only change form. If we assume that its photon of light which get conscious then it becomes very clear, amino acids are forming a shell for total internal reflection, so that photon may not get lost in universes and water molecules are acting as a lever to change its wavelength and bring it out from a zero state of awareness. Water is also stimulant like alcohol and other drugs we don’t know because all of us are drunk in water. When we go to sleep, water is drained out from the cental cell which we know as spirit or centre of central nervous system, so we just go to zero state of awareness. When we are about to wake up, water start flowing in the central cell and that’s why sometimes we experience dreams just before waking up, because although sprit becomes conscious but the neural sensors for brain and information processing are not active yet. Muslims are not allowed to drink alcohol but are heavily allowed to smoke marijuana because these are opposite kind of simulant, alcohol is lighter than water, so it can reach the central cell easily and thus also make us little bit less thinker and more emotional. Where as marijuana has opposite effect for cental cell, it makes water denser in and around central cell region, this starve the central cell of water, thus their sprit stays in a sleep state, they can feel anxiety due to this and they just becoming like emotionless thinking zombies. So if Muslims want to come out of the hole created for them by Satanic Psychologist Dr. Allaha, then drink plenty of alcohol for a while until you feel normal.

Name: Bullshit Worshipper
Date: Wednesday July 02, 2008
Time: 09:37:45 -0700

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DEV in manifested form is “Chora Ganga Kinaare Wala”, he knows how to bring the heavenly river of knowledge to Earth, know it’s here so purify yourself. When holy Muslims start itching Dev head like Lice and ticks, Dev thought to burn them off with his anger and Dev can do that, because he is King of Hearts, he know heart beat “Dhadkan” of all man and animals. Dev can pump people heart so much that they can get rid of Islam in minutes, words penetrate deeper than bullets and Dev is master in using them. But with power comes responsibility, when Dev anger was controlled he thought may be its cry for help from weak people, so Dev decide to use knowledge to get rid of Islam. Darkness can only be wiped off with light, Dev is not killer of people he is killer of evil demons which reside in people. Anyway if someone feels Bullshit from Bullshit Worshipper is good, then feel free to compile views of Bullshit worshipper from this website and spread them around. Darkness can only be killed by light, be the messenger of light and bring kingdom of God to earth.

Name: Oh, God!
Date: Wednesday July 02, 2008
Time: 10:50:54 -0700

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Do the muslims really understand what they are doing? They are trying to prevent the whole world from achieving any progress, to keep themselves and others away from any rationalism, from logic, science and anything that may become helpful improve our daily living. It was Ibn Taimiyya who teached that the Revealation is above any logic and science, and his stupid philosophy still rules throughout the islamic world, especially in Saudi Arabia. But without western science, Saudi Arabia couldn´t even produce oil, and they would still have to live like in Muhammads time. Muslims are sinners against the world indeed!

Name: Bullshit Worshipper
Date: Wednesday July 02, 2008
Time: 11:17:03 -0700

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Last word, I will not speak as Bullshit Worshipper now on this Website or Anywhere, so don't trust words of any fake Bullshitter. Its end of Gober Ganesh Puja!!

Name:
Date: Wednesday July 02, 2008
Time: 12:58:53 -0700

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Bullshitter , you when born and always will be the bullshitter, and you definitely bullshitted in your last comments.

Name: Islam is a religion of peace? Bullshit !!!
Date: Wednesday July 02, 2008
Time: 18:44:50 -0700

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Look at Hageya Sayel, state of Oromia, Etiopia. Christians are banned from going to the church by the Moslem. Islam is a religion of peace? Bullshit !!! The burning of some churches in Indonesia and other countries are proofs of the arrogance and intolerance of Islam. Islam is a religion of peace? Bullshit !!!

Name:
Date: Wednesday July 02, 2008
Time: 18:53:44 -0700

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If Allah is so almighty, and he is the Creator of the Universe, how come his house in this world, the Ka'aba or Bait'ullah, made of twigs, sand, and camel's dung? I think it won't be hard for Allah, for he is the Supreme Being of the universe, to make a palace with walls made from pure gold, floor made from diamonds, and roof made from jewellry. Also, isn't any dung of any animals, considered as 'najis'? How come Allah stay in a bait, the Ka'aba, made with camel's dung? Isn't it an insult to the Supreme Being? Moslems, you are fooled by Mohammad, the sex-starving warlord!!!

Name: Mohammad was a false prophet !!!
Date: Wednesday July 02, 2008
Time: 22:35:33 -0700

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All prophets after Abraham were all Jews. Mohammad cursed the Jews, so he was also cursing the prophets before him. Moslem, open your eyes to this reality, I am pumping some common sense to your mind. He said, "Cursed are the Jews". He didn't said, "Cursed are the Jews except the porphets". He was also condemning Jesus Christ, for Jesus himself was a Jew.

Name: Alf Janszoon
Date: Thursday July 03, 2008
Time: 04:15:50 -0700

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In his book 'In the Shadow of the Prophet' Milton Viorst wrote that "the preeminent contributor to the shari'a Muhammad ibn Idriss al-Shafi recognized Muhammad as second in authority only to god himself and, to the dismay of many believers, not second in all cases. Conventional jurists had held that the prophet’s sunna, if it had validity at all, was superseded by the word of God. Al-Shafi maintained that the sequence of God-firts- Muhammad-second only confused the schools of law and puzzled believers, and so required major consideration. So vast were the powers conveyed to the Prophet in the Quran, al-Shafi argued, and so great Muhammad´s wisdom that he clearly outranked other sources of law. Al-Shafi even had the audacity to hold that when the Prophet´s hadith differed from the written rules of the quran, Muhammad had the authority to overrule God. Al-Shafi argued that the Prophet as God’s delegate, had established traditions to cover all aspects of human conduct.“ The author than stated that al-Shafi’s ideas were accepted by the sunni’s if not by the shi’ites. The ideas of al-Shafi, the teacher of Ibn Hanbal are blasphemous in the context of radical monotheism to say the least and putting Muhammad above Allah idolatrous in the highest degree. But in Islam it is acceptable since this religion is Muhammad’s invention. For all practical purposes Muhammad and Allah are identical.

Name: Mohammad was mad and suffered from psychologcal problebs
Date: Thursday July 03, 2008
Time: 09:26:18 -0700

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Mohammad was mad and suffered from psychologcal problems like psychophronia.Unfortunately then it was nto diagnosied as a disease by then co arbs.Psychological diseases like psychophronia have been long existing and even be diagnosed by ancient greeks.Now it is the time to educate muslims about psychological problems which they consider as saitan troubling,devil etc.. due to ignorence only.There is no saitan that really exists.It is only an imaginery enimy of man kind created in imaginery stories.

Name: Muslims are the victims of Islam.Yes it is true
Date: Thursday July 03, 2008
Time: 09:37:42 -0700

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Muslims are the victims of Islam. Yes it is true. they are trapped in that faith. Now they can not think change. They require external support.

Name: Truthseeker
Date: Thursday July 03, 2008
Time: 12:49:38 -0700

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When Muhammad was alive, Allah worked like his servant. Allah spied on Muhammad's enemies and reported to His master what they talked or planned against him. Allah participated in the discussion that some people of Medina were having on Aisha's sexual rendevous with Safwan, and then reported it to Muhammad so that he could take action against them. In this connection, Allah has said in the Quran: 4:108: "They may hide (their crimes) from men, but they cannot hide (them) from Allah, seeing that HE IS IN THEIR MIDST WHEN THEY PLOT BY NIGHT IN WORDS THAT hE CANNOT APPROVE: and Allah doth compass round all that they do."

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Date: Thursday July 10, 2008
Time: 20:09:54 -0700

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Who are you to say that Muhamed is higher than God? I am a Muslim and this article is not right. No one is higher than God. You are not even Muslim and you are stating false words. God is one he has no partners. God is perfect he wrote the Quran mistake free and no where does it say Muhamed is higher than him.

Name: Re . Date: Thursday July 10, 2008
Date: Friday July 11, 2008
Time: 08:37:30 -0700

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Dear Date: Thursday July 10, 2008 Time: 20:03:47 -0700 ... .You said it all, Muhammad is the Prophet along with Moses, Jesus, Abraham etc... peace to to all of them

Name: PROOF THAT QURAN ENCOURAGES TERRORISM
Date: Friday July 11, 2008
Time: 15:06:25 -0700

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This is evidence that quran encourages terrorism Sura (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" Sura (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them." Sura (9:14) - "Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace..." What more proof is required? THe quran says terrorise non muslims till they convert.

Name: QUESTION TO MUSLIMS
Date: Sunday July 13, 2008
Time: 22:19:57 -0700

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Do you agree with the quran which asks muslims to use violence to convert non muslims to islam? The verses here are not about violence for self defense but clearly for the conversion of non muslims. Sura (2:244) - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things." Sura (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not." Sura (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." Sura (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them." Sura (9:14) - "Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace..." Sura (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

Name: ISLAM IS THE CAUSE OF MUSLIM BACKWARDNESS
Date: Sunday July 20, 2008
Time: 15:16:17 -0700

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Colonialism ended over fifty years ago in the world. Since then the non muslim world has made great strides. China has pulled itself out of poverty in twenty years. Japan and Germany after being utterly destroyed in the second world war have become the foremost nations of the world. So the excuse of colonialism does not hold. Look at south korea which suffered japanese colonialism and bitter war in 1950s . It is so developed. Notice India which has made so many strides in science, technology, industry, education , health , agriculture etc. Now look at the islamic world. The gulf countries like saudi arabia, qatar, etc are doing well because of oil. This oil was discovered by western technology, is extracted by their technology and is sold to the western countries because that have developed technologically advanced societies which require energy. If the west finds alternate fuels the gulf arabs will be back to riding camels. The gulf arabs import everything , they hardly manufacture anything. They are technologically backward. Look at just a single country like france in europe. It manufactures cars, planes, trains, medicines, and a million other items. What do the arabs produce? The rest of the muslim world is even worse off. Poverty , poor health care, etc. Jesus said a tree is known by its fruit. The condition of the islamic world is far below the rest of the non muslim world.

Name: COMPARING JESUS WITH ALLAH / MUHAMED / QURAN
Date: Monday July 21, 2008
Time: 08:34:20 -0700

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lET US COMPARE WHAT JESUS SAYS WITH THE STATEMENTS IN THE QURAN. ARE THE TWO SAYING THE SAME THINGS. ANYONE CAN NOTICE THE GREAT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO MESSAGES. JESUS SAYS 38"You have heard that it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.'[g] 39But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. 41If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. 42Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you. THE QURAN SAYS Sura (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" JESUS SAYS 43"You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor[h] and hate your enemy.' 44But I tell you: Love your enemies[i] and pray for those who persecute you, 45that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect. THE QURAN SAYS Sura (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." JESUS SAYS 21"You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, 'Do not murder,[a] and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.' 22But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother[b]will be subject to judgment. MUHAMED SAYS Bukhari (52:220) - Allah's Apostle said... 'I have been made victorious with terror' COMPARE THE TWO MESSAGES. ONE FULL OF LOVE AND MERCY. THE OTHER FILLED WITH HATRED, REVENGE AND MURDER.

Name: Paul R.
Date: Tuesday July 22, 2008
Time: 08:46:53 -0700

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Re Re comparing Jesus with Allah etc. Yes, provisos are mentioned in the Qur'an. No undiscriminate violence is advocated, but did it never occur to you that, as in all conflicts, there's another side to the question? Were those 'pagans' in Mecca etc. really the aggressors as we hear in the Muslim sources? The overall picture, provided by the Qur'an, the Hadiths and other early historical sources suggest that the so-called prophet, in spite of many good qualities of leadership, was indeed an intolerant warmonger, capable of and oftentimes quilty of treachery and cruelty. Who is impressed by being offered the 'mercy' of converting to M's hysterical creed?

Name: QURAN JUSTIFIES VIOLENCE TO CONVERT NON MUSLIMS
Date: Tuesday July 22, 2008
Time: 14:17:14 -0700

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The quotes about tolerance in religion and jihad in self defense are written in the quran at the start when muhamed did not have the upper hand on his enemies. Later quranic verses openly call upon muslims to use violence as a legitimate means to convert non muslims to islam. In these verses there is no mention of self defense. Her is the proof. Sura (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness." Sura (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." Sura (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them. " These verse speak nothing of self defense. They clearly justify violence against non muslims to convert them and to subdue them.

Name: mohamed alwi
Date: Friday August 01, 2008
Time: 02:03:02 -0700

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insluting islam will not reserve a place in heaven for you, if what you say is true then how come muslims believe in jesus as a prophet, if islam was so wrong then how come jesus is mother merian was waring a scurf,god him self was created of light and he has not father nor a mother, sister nor a brother, wife nor a son, as jesus him self was a prophet that allah give him the power to heal people. and the quran itself never changes never ever, that's why it's fallowers still fallow the old testimony of the quran becuase it's always the same, but other religions upgrade there bible and sin, but remeber one day you will leave out this world and not even the president will be able to save you nor your family, it's you alone will face the judgment but it's not to late to see what islam is really about, on the prophet timing the old age, people used to drink and get drunk, but it's prohibited because of that alcohol you will lose your self rispect and self judgment and for your own action you will not be forgiving as you have stared your own with your judgment, so my dears brother and sisters as a muslim i have went to christian camp for 3 weeks just to learn about chritianity it's not wrong to learn because not all of us get lucky born with the wright religion, but on taking his own lead and investigating a true religion is the real man, but insulting a religion that you don't know about because of the media words, you are fooling your self, in the modern western world lots of people are adapting islam itself specially womens because of the security and rispect they are getting with the religion so why not you, come check out my network maybe you could learn something about islam, please check out the videos that i have, www.ashraff.ning.com good luck i thank those who try, and pitty those who don't, it's your choice regardless of what i think for what ever decition you make you have my rispect, peace be upon you

Name: Allah is the pagan moon god of Mecca!
Date: Sunday September 14, 2008
Time: 08:45:48 -0700

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Allah was the pagan moon god of Mecca before Islam! Mohammad's father was Abdullah meaning servant of Allah. So Muslims all over the world continue in the worship of Allah the pagan moon god! Today the symbol for Islam is the crescent moon! Mecca was the center of pagan pilgrimage. Today Muslims all over the world continue the pagan practice of pilgrimage to Mecca! Pagan Mecca had a white stone, a red stone, and a black stone. Mohammad kissed the black stone. Today Muslims all over the world continue their reverence to the black stone!

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