Atheists Support the Non-Religious State of China
11 Jul, 2008
- So for those of us who understand the situation, it is necessary to know who are our allies and potential allies. No doubt, the realisation of the menace of Islam will dawn on most people sooner or later, although there is nothing to guarantee that this prospect will come soon enough.
As for Muslim masses, the prospect of that realisation is not very probable under the current circumstances. Muslims are kept like herds. They are given the sense of being under constant siege; deprived from knowledge and critical thinking; made to feel as unfairly subjected to humiliation and disdain by non-Muslims; subjected to continuous brainwashing through the religious rituals and formal and informal sermons, during which they are told that they are the best people and that they would have ruled the world if it was not for conspiracies of the non-Muslim kafirs.
Perhaps, we could expect that some educated, but un-indoctrinated, Muslims, who are on the fringes currently, to join the forces of good and relinquish Islam, thus providing the lead for the Islamic masses to follow. This prospect can be augmented by providing alternative political and philosophical thoughts that can satisfy their intellectual curiosity as well as defeat the religious arguments. However, it is this prospect of losing the educated individuals that sets off the frenzied efforts of by the Islamic religious authorities to set up religious schools and control the education of Muslim children.
However, until those rosier transformations take place, we should make sure that we are not losing an already potentially strong ally due to our own political ignorance and uncritical thinking. Currently, China is subjected to strong pressure from the Western governments to allow religious freedom to Tibetans and other religious minorities, which include even Muslims (even in China). However, the rallying point in this regard is the general Western sympathy felt towards Dalai Lama and the Tibetan Buddhists.
For me though it is not clear why we, those whose main concern is the Islamic anti-civilisational nature, should be drawn to support Dalai Lama and religious freedom in China. All religious in the world are a part of the problem and not a part of solution. Even Dalai Lama Buddhism has no answer to the political and political problems. Buddhism, perhaps peaceful, is not equivalent with liberal democracy, which can provide an alternative to current Chinese authoritarian government.
Of course, we should condemn the communist past of China. China would have been much better with liberal democracy. But China cannot introduce liberal democracy without complete control over the ethnic and religious strives currently kept down by uncompromising state apparatus. If we want liberal democracy we must also be prepared to support the Chinese government to eliminate the religious threat, particularly the Islamic ones. We should understand that, because of the inadequate political understanding that characterise the traditional liberal democracy, liberal democracy is not safe even in its cradle, the Western countries. Introducing liberal democracy to China may lead to a period of prolonged political troubles that might escalate into open civil wars, and eventual failure of liberal democracy and threat to the whole region and the world.
At this point of history we should ask the Tibetans for some sacrifices for the sake of stability in that region and for the sake of more effective confrontation of the menacing forces of Islam, which constitute the immediate threat to Tibetans even in Tibet itself.[1] Atheists should in fact explore the possibility of cooperation with the Chinese nation and government to provide them with guidance and support in their efforts to build strong non-religious state and strong economy. The current economic growth is endowing the Chinese citizens with important autonomy and power. Should this development go on uninterrupted, China will inevitably be transformed into liberal democracy. What can threaten this prospect are, more than anything else, the religious forces.
The least we can do at this point is to reject the calls for religious freedom which was recently voiced by President Bush. However, we should welcome his intention to attend the opening ceremony of the summer Olympics in Beijing.
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[1] Tensions rise between Tibetans, Chinese Muslims, LA Times , 23 June 2008
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Name: ha ha ha ....
Date: Thursday July 10, 2008
Time: 19:31:13 -0700
Comment
What should be realized by the people that is once Islam was given the chance to develop in any area, then they are going to dominate everything. First introducing sharia laws into the government, then slowly the area become islamic. Once the people become fanatics about islam, then there's nothing can be done to cure it. You can see the areas in Indonesia, Malaysia, Bangla Desh, Pakistan etc. Say no to Islam !!!
Name: China, Russia and Serbia view on Islam
Date: Thursday July 10, 2008
Time: 22:29:49 -0700
Comment
These countries don't have any romantic ideas that Islam is a religion. Russia has somehow made the Orthodox Christianity their official religion. China arrested 80 Muslims from the Xinjiang. What these countries do is to close down all the mosques and Islamic schools. In China, other religions may also face persecution although China claims to have 100 over million Christians
Name: no one can dare to say anyhting to saudi arabis,then why say anything to atheist or china ??
Date: Thursday July 10, 2008
Time: 23:27:23 -0700
Comment
no one can dare to say anyhting to saudi arabis,then why say anything to atheist or china ??
Name: vbv
Date: Thursday July 10, 2008
Time: 23:29:00 -0700
Comment
Religion is a curse on humanity, so is communism or fascism,or any other totalitarian idealogies which ride on dogmas which are either "divine" or infallible. Both are two sides of the same coin. Both expect unquestioned and blind allegiance to their dogmas and diktats. Both are made , only religion claims falsely to be "divine" albiet there is nothing such as "divine" except in the minds of the gullible masses and the scoundrel who uses this dogma to exploit the gullible to enrich himself/herself to live a life of extreme indulgence and vulgar opulence at the expense of the miliions of gullible DOLTS! Take any religious leader ,be it Christian monks/nuns, muslim mullahs/imams/muftis/kazis ,Hindu priests/saints/swamies/sadhus ,or Budhist monks/nuns ,etc. - what is their contribution to the society in economic and productive terms? Nothing. They just live off others and get Tax cuts/benefits to top it all! They are the scums of the society to delude , exploit and misdirect humans for their pecuniary interests! The communist commissaire is no better - he would talk of the proliteriat and live in Kremlin/Forbidden City palace in good opulence,whilst the masses are rationed crumbs to feed and survive! A true liberal democracy is one that recognizes these two evils and protects commoin citizens from geting exploited by these elements ,discourages 'religion' or any other totalitarian idealogies ,encouraging free speech, rational thinking and encouraging healthy skepticism against all irrationalities, superstitions and obscuranticism , in favour of csience and scientific temper.
Name: Islum
Date: Friday July 11, 2008
Time: 00:55:28 -0700
Comment
For those who are not familiar with atrocities of communism, pls visit the following sites... www.ninecommentaries.com http://organharvestinvestigation.net www.humanrightstorch.org www.greatfirewallofchina.org www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2005/s1388856.htm Islam and communism are synonyms for terrorism. The author of this article is 'brain-dead' in understanding the dangers of communism. In communism, you lose your self-respect and individual thinking to party dictatorship and communist ideology. Muslims suffer the same due to Quran.
Name: DH
Date: Friday July 11, 2008
Time: 02:48:50 -0700
Comment
"Marxism, which sees nothing in liberal democracy but a veneer for capitalism" When Marx wrote about "Bourgeiose democracy" he was referring to the situation in the Britain of his time when VOTING RIGHTS WERE CONFINED TO PROPERTY OWNERS. Learn the facts before making blanket statements.
Name: DH
Date: Friday July 11, 2008
Time: 02:54:48 -0700
Comment
BTW. China, although still totalitarian, is no longer "Communist" because it no longer follows Communist economics. That is why western Capitalists - tired of such "red tape" in their own countries as pollution control, minimum wages and workers health and safety - have flocked to the "Asian Tiger" in the past couple of decades. A lesson perhaps to those who equate Capitalism with "freedom".
Name: Reject Islam !!!
Date: Friday July 11, 2008
Time: 03:29:51 -0700
Comment
Do not accept Islam !! Do not let it develop near you !! They will dominate you and your life. Don't even think to tolerate them. They are hungry wolves disguised as lambs. Once they have the power, they will change everything including taking your freedom to choose.
Name: Let us widely canvas the dnager of islam to humanity
Date: Friday July 11, 2008
Time: 05:51:53 -0700
Comment
Let us widely canvas the dnager of islam to humanity.We should the islamic virus as soon as possible.It more dagerous than AIDS and even more dangerous than Global warming.
Name: mark
Date: Friday July 11, 2008
Time: 07:02:55 -0700
Comment
i think you are right- islam is a greater 'threat to human survival'- most people in the uk think the greatest threat is global warming, but if islam takes over, there won't be a world left intact to warm up.
Name: mark
Date: Friday July 11, 2008
Time: 07:05:58 -0700
Comment
i seem to remember the BBC news saying China's recent stringent efforts to prevent acts of islamic terrorism at the games are 'over the top', and just an escuse to clamp down on muslims? How might we be able to show our support for chinese measures in practicle ways?
Name: Isrealis beware
Date: Friday July 11, 2008
Time: 08:04:40 -0700
Comment
Why d heck should islamist hamper the olympics. Only the Isrealis should beware, As palastinians are gonna get more Medals.!!!!!!!
Name: Luke
Date: Friday July 11, 2008
Time: 13:48:15 -0700
Comment
Religious and spiritual ideas are necessary for human society to live. It is a fundamental need in humans or else it would have died out along time ago. Supressing this need only leads to mindless societies who have little or no moral values. Morality is conveyed by religion also. Some religions most notably islam has twisted morality to serve the perverted ends of their founding fathers. Muhamed is the example of this. He founded islam to satisfy his lust for power. Because islam is bad is not an excuse to deny all religions. Most religions uphold moral values without which human society would descend into chaos. Islam is a religion which goes against humsn values. While it is not morally correct to deny anyone the right to follow the religion of his choice any tenet/dogma of a religion which goes against universal human rights should be fought by all legal means at the command of the state. Though communism is totalitarian it is based on socialism which has its good points. In fact most democracies have adopted many socialisti principles. Communism has done some good. Most people in the erstwhile communist states improved their education levels, health care standards, infrastructure under communism. Communism served its purpose and has gone the way of the dodo. (outdated) Islam is against the freedom of expression, the freedom to decide ones religion , equal rights for women etc. It is these practises in islam which should be resisted vehemently.
Name: Al-Humazah
Date: Sunday July 13, 2008
Time: 08:00:42 -0700
Comment
104. Al-Humazah : The Backbiter In the Name of Allah, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful. Woe to every slanderer and backbiter. 104:1 Who has gathered wealth and counted it, 104:2 He thinks that his wealth will make him last forever! 104:3 Nay! Verily, he will be thrown into the crushing Fire. 104:4 And what will make you know what the crushing Fire is? 104:5 The fire of Allah, kindled, 104:6 Which leaps up over the hearts, 104:7 Verily, it shall be closed in on them, 104:8 In pillars stretched forth (i.e. they will be punished in the Fire with pillars, etc.). 104:9
Name: Islam, China and the West
Date: Sunday July 13, 2008
Time: 08:49:27 -0700
Comment
China supports Sudan in the Darfur conflict, and it blocks any UN-Resolution for human rights. In the other hand, while China is oppressing it??s own muslim minority no muslim country criticizes it! Where is the muslim anger against China? Where are the muslim countries? All they can do is fighting the west! They are killing against western Cartoons but not against Oppression in China!
Name: Re:Islam, China and the West
Date: Sunday July 13, 2008
Time: 20:05:37 -0700
Comment
What about when the USSR oppressed it??s own muslim states, no country criticized it! Where were the muslim anger against the USSR? Where were the muslim countries? Were they fighting the west! No they were fighting against communism. They condemn communism to such an extent that they intervined through Pakistan to fight USSR against it occupying Afghanistan. Once the USSR left with a loss all western aid stopped in Afghanistan. The country was ruled by war lords. When Mulla Omar re united the Afghan the USA with a pretext of distabalizing the entire Asian region Invaded Afghanistan. Still there aint proof that any Afghans were involved in 9/11. Can u imagine a person in cave to organize this 9/11 attack. Dont you think the media should highlight these wrongs rather than publishing Cartoons but not publishing Oppressions in the world!
Name: BIN LADEN IS RESPONSIBLE FOR 9/11
Date: Sunday July 13, 2008
Time: 21:43:41 -0700
Comment
The muslims fought against the ussr in afghanistan. They would not have won if they did not get sophisticated weapons like stinger missiles from the USA. So the war was won because of American support. How come they could not win against the americans when they invaded afghanistan? There is enough evidence that Bin laden was responsible for 9/11. He himself has admitted it. Bin laden before he started hiding in caves was a rich man who had the support from the taliban. He has financed many terrorist acts including the action against US troops in somalia. Muslim societies are in conflict with non muslim societies not just the west. There is hardly any non muslim country which does not have a problem with Islam. India, Thailand, Russia, China, Phillipines, Nigeria, Kenya, to name a few asian countries who are currently having conflict with islam. Carry on like this and islamic societies will suffer evn more. If you draw the sword the rest of the non muslim world will not keep quiet. Most muslims inspite of their hatred of the west and the non muslim world are flooding the west and even other non muslim countries. Why? Dont they feel safer and more comfortable in islamic countries? Islam has made islamic countries backward and now muslims are going to non muslim countries to convert them to islam and make them backward. If you want to swim in your own filth stay back in your beloved islamic societies. Why are you dirtying the rest of the world?
Name: Kicky Buniya
Date: Monday July 14, 2008
Time: 19:57:12 -0700
Comment
Expressions like "Bin laden was responsible for 9/11". He himself has not admitted it " are what I've always been surprised at. Those who like to talk on this topic usually remember the conquest of Persia, Central Asia and Spain. I don't deny the fact that wars did take place in Islamic history but statements about "Bin laden was responsible for 9/11" are, let us say... an exaggeration. It is still more funny that we hear it from those whose own history is really a history of constant violence & murder. It's quite enough to mention the religious wars in the 16th century, uncountable wars in the 18th & 19th centuries and the two world wars. Can you remember a single peaceful period in the history of Europe...except the last decades, of course? Some people like the notorious Robert Spencer justify the Crusades and seriously tend to characterize them as "defensive wars against Muslim agressors". I wonder if they regard the religious wars in Europe as defensive? Was it Bin Laden who annihilated the native inhabitants of North America and Australia? Burned the Jews in gas chambers? You should think with your own brains instead of retelling dubious writings. Terrorism has to be wiped out, but not in this manner. Better Intelligence, and surveillance have to be given prime importance to eradicate this CIA sponsored menace. How are the terrorists obtaining arms and ammunition. These are not manufactured in their country, they are imported. The average businessman cannot import any item without opening a letter of credit through a bank and without obtaining Customs clearance.How do the terrorists get arms and ammunition worth millions. Where is the detection? What is their economic power, human power ??? they seem to have an unlimited supply of people. You have to engage a Spy network to find out who the high command is, and what they are planning. Answer MOSSAD
Name: PROOF THAT ISLAM SANCTIONS MURDER OF NON MUSLIMS TO SPREAD ISLAM
Date: Tuesday July 15, 2008
Time: 09:01:07 -0700
Comment
The history of the world is full of violence but it is only in islam that violence against non muslims is sanctioned by religion. Sura (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" Sura (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them." Sura (9:14) - "Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace..."Sura (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."Sura (48:29) - "Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves"Bukhari (52:256) - The Prophet... was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, "They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans)." In this command, Muhammad establishes that it is permissible to kill non-combatants in the process of killing a perceived enemy. This provides justification for the many Islamic terror bombings. Bukhari (52:220) - Allah's Apostle said... 'I have been made victorious with terror' It is bery clear that this violence is not in self defense but to spread islam. Bin laden is only following muhamed and the quran Can you quote a single sentence from Jesus which asks his followers to use violence to convert people or for the sake of spreading religion? I challenge you.
Name:
Date: Tuesday July 15, 2008
Time: 19:42:16 -0700
Comment
ALLAH has taught us in the Qur'an that all other `religions' and ways of life are unacceptable to Him if a person is aware of Islam. The Qur'an states (translation), [3:85] And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers. However, even though the ALLAH The Creator of the Worlds has clearly specified that no other way of life is acceptable to Him except Islam (i.e. submission to Him as embodied in the Qur'an and Sun???nah), He has also commanded the Muslims to be tolerant of people who espouse other creeds. From the Sunnah, specifically in the study of the Sunnah called Al-Awsat by Al-Tabarani, we find regarding those non-Muslims living in the Islamic state, The Messenger of Allah (saas) said, "One who kills a non-Muslim person under protection will not even smell the fragrance of Paradise." Also from the Sunnah, specifically in a report from Al-Khatib, we find that the Messenger of Allah (saas) also said: Whoever hurts a non-Muslim person under protection, I am his adversary, and I shall be an adversary to him on the Day of Resurrection. In short, Islam is intolerant of false ideas, however it is tolerant of the people who hold to those ideas. One historical example of Muslims living up to the standard of Islam can be found from the time of the Spanish Inquisition. During that disaster sprung by misguided Catholics, some Spanish Jews fled to Muslim Turkey and to this day, there is a community of Spanish-speaking Jews in Turkey. Another example may be found during one of the Crusader invasions from Western Europe. Some of the the Catholic Western European knights were so likely to rape, murder, and pillage the Jews and Orthodox Christians, that when the Muslims won, they were treated as a liberating force by those non-Muslims. [2:136] Say (O Muslims): We believe in Allah and that which is revealed to us and that which was revealed to Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the tribes, and that which Moses and Jesus received, and that which the prophets received from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and to Him we have surrendered.
Name: Too many contradictions in the quran
Date: Wednesday July 16, 2008
Time: 16:36:17 -0700
Comment
If allah has taught you to be tolerant according to the quran why is your allah asking you to murder non muslims till they convert to islam? Why the contradictions? This proves quran is false teaching.
Name:
Date: Friday July 18, 2008
Time: 02:04:53 -0700
Comment
Allah orders us to conduct our matters by taking counsel among ourselves, or by consulting each other. This is the methodology of the Islamic state, to consult one another, but to always keep the Qur'an and Sunnah paramount. Any law which contradicts the Qur'an or Sunnah is unlawful. This broad principle of consultation is certainly wide enough to encompass a form of government where all are heard - in fact, encouraged to be heard. The early Islamic states were of this form. The petty governments of many `Muslim countries' today do not apply this principle and in fact commit many crimes against the people.The Qur'an and Sunnah repeat over and over again that Allah only favors one person over another based on that person's awareness, consciousness, fear, love, and hope of Allah). All other criteria are excluded: gender, ethnic group, country, ancestry, etc. Given that Allah does not favor one gender over the other in His attention to us (and it helps to remember that Allah is neither male nor female), On misconception, there is a great deal more to write, most of it showing how current practices in many Muslim lands go against what the Qur'an and Sunnah have ordained, lands in which women are treated as property (unIslamic), are not educated (unIslamic), are forbidden their economic rights (unIslamic), and more. On this point in particular, we encourage everyone to consult the Qur'an and Sunnah from people who practice before incriminating Islam. Always remember that Islam is a complete way of life from the Creator, and that Muslims are people who claim to follow that way of life. A Muslim may claim to follow Islam, but be wrong. In the end, God is the judge.
Name: Islam not even biblical
Date: Monday August 04, 2008
Time: 15:12:55 -0700
Comment
Present a muslim with Isaiah 53. They don't even know what it means. I know this is an athiest scene here but seriously, muslims claim to believe the bible. If they knew anything about it they'd know this one chapter ends their religion (before it even started).